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Roddy Doyle. Typical Dub or the exception?

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So Roddy Doyle has made some laughable comments on the GAA https://www.balls.ie/gaa/roddy-doyle-gaa-372547 while showing himself wedded to a club in another country as if it were his own.
But been wondering are his opinions that of a begrudger or typical of the opinions of most people in the capital.
Growing up in Meath I used to think Dublin was GAA mad from visiting Croke Park for big Meath/Dublin clashes back in the day. But now having lived and worked on both sides of the Liffey I do wonder if Roddy Doyle is more reflective of Dubs in general. I find it very hard to have a GAA conversation in work with the Dubs. All summer all they've cared about is transfer gossip, McGregor and golf and I get the odd 'no skill in gah' and 'its all corrupt' comment. Meanwhile the culchies in the office love a GAA conversation.
Ok going to qualify all this and say yes there are plenty of passionate GAA people in Dublin. This forum an example of it but as a Dublin friend who loves GAA said to me on Whatsapp this morning to me hes been dealing with GAA hating people his whole life.
Not looking to have a pop at Dubs, actually I want feedback from Dubs on here mostly and see what experiences you've had with people who think like Roddy Doyle. Is hes the exception or the rule?

RoyalBadger (Meath) - 31/08/2017 10:26:31    2041039

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "So Roddy Doyle has made some laughable comments on the GAA https://www.balls.ie/gaa/roddy-doyle-gaa-372547 while showing himself wedded to a club in another country as if it were his own.
But been wondering are his opinions that of a begrudger or typical of the opinions of most people in the capital.
Growing up in Meath I used to think Dublin was GAA mad from visiting Croke Park for big Meath/Dublin clashes back in the day. But now having lived and worked on both sides of the Liffey I do wonder if Roddy Doyle is more reflective of Dubs in general. I find it very hard to have a GAA conversation in work with the Dubs. All summer all they've cared about is transfer gossip, McGregor and golf and I get the odd 'no skill in gah' and 'its all corrupt' comment. Meanwhile the culchies in the office love a GAA conversation.
Ok going to qualify all this and say yes there are plenty of passionate GAA people in Dublin. This forum an example of it but as a Dublin friend who loves GAA said to me on Whatsapp this morning to me hes been dealing with GAA hating people his whole life.
Not looking to have a pop at Dubs, actually I want feedback from Dubs on here mostly and see what experiences you've had with people who think like Roddy Doyle. Is hes the exception or the rule?"
I live in Limerick, in the city the GAA barely exists
Thats the way in a lot of urban area
all the more credit due then surely to the ones who promote it badger surely?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 11:00:09    2041052

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "So Roddy Doyle has made some laughable comments on the GAA https://www.balls.ie/gaa/roddy-doyle-gaa-372547 while showing himself wedded to a club in another country as if it were his own.
But been wondering are his opinions that of a begrudger or typical of the opinions of most people in the capital.
Growing up in Meath I used to think Dublin was GAA mad from visiting Croke Park for big Meath/Dublin clashes back in the day. But now having lived and worked on both sides of the Liffey I do wonder if Roddy Doyle is more reflective of Dubs in general. I find it very hard to have a GAA conversation in work with the Dubs. All summer all they've cared about is transfer gossip, McGregor and golf and I get the odd 'no skill in gah' and 'its all corrupt' comment. Meanwhile the culchies in the office love a GAA conversation.
Ok going to qualify all this and say yes there are plenty of passionate GAA people in Dublin. This forum an example of it but as a Dublin friend who loves GAA said to me on Whatsapp this morning to me hes been dealing with GAA hating people his whole life.
Not looking to have a pop at Dubs, actually I want feedback from Dubs on here mostly and see what experiences you've had with people who think like Roddy Doyle. Is hes the exception or the rule?"
Cant argue to much , Dubs fall into many many categories
New Immigrants with a complete disconnect
Rugby loving area's/fans that rarely cross over
Soccer loving fans who hate the GAA
Soccer Loving fans who love Gaa in the Summer (August onwards)
The stereo west brit does exist
But
Then there is
The Passionate Dub fan rain or shine will follow and does
The Sports fan who loves the Dubs
The Dub who loves GAA and Dublin

I will concede my country cousins are passionate in the office about GAA and their county but I believe that's fuelled by the fact they don't live there , When I worked/lived in Athens St Patricks day meant the world to me , living at home Id hardly step outside.
Dubs who are passionate about their GAA are no different to anyone else they support good times and bad , fundraise , support local clubs , they are just harder to find in a near two million populated city.

Damothedub (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 11:02:08    2041056

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My feeling having moved to Dublin is that the sports are as divided in Dublin as they would be back in Northern Ireland, where religious background obviously plays a huge role.

Private school types that I know definitely look down their noses at GAA. It'd be rugby and hockey would be there chosen games. They call Gaelic Wellyball.

I played soccer in a local Dublin league and there wouldn't be many people playing GAA along with soccer. They'd be quite anti GAA in fact. Soccer is really still the sport of working class and inner city Dublin.

The sports feel much less divided out in the country. GAA dominates but I know guys who are well into soccer and rugby in the club. There was next to no interest outside of soccer in the team I played for in Dublin.

Really strange actually.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 31/08/2017 11:09:47    2041058

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "So Roddy Doyle has made some laughable comments on the GAA https://www.balls.ie/gaa/roddy-doyle-gaa-372547 while showing himself wedded to a club in another country as if it were his own.
But been wondering are his opinions that of a begrudger or typical of the opinions of most people in the capital.
Growing up in Meath I used to think Dublin was GAA mad from visiting Croke Park for big Meath/Dublin clashes back in the day. But now having lived and worked on both sides of the Liffey I do wonder if Roddy Doyle is more reflective of Dubs in general. I find it very hard to have a GAA conversation in work with the Dubs. All summer all they've cared about is transfer gossip, McGregor and golf and I get the odd 'no skill in gah' and 'its all corrupt' comment. Meanwhile the culchies in the office love a GAA conversation.
Ok going to qualify all this and say yes there are plenty of passionate GAA people in Dublin. This forum an example of it but as a Dublin friend who loves GAA said to me on Whatsapp this morning to me hes been dealing with GAA hating people his whole life.
Not looking to have a pop at Dubs, actually I want feedback from Dubs on here mostly and see what experiences you've had with people who think like Roddy Doyle. Is hes the exception or the rule?"
Not strictly Dublin related but I live close to an ex-garrison town (Athlone) and there has always been a fierce anti-GAA element in it. Take Declan Lynch the Sindo 'journalist'. He has written many articles castigating and making fun of the GAA. (Bogball and Stickball). No doubt there is a similar element in Dublin. However I do believe things are improving in Dublin. Some of the clubs in South Dublin have more members than some of the smaller counties. Some clubs in Dublin now have development officers solely dedicated to working with the schools and this has led to a large increase in juvenile playing numbers.People forget there is a huge proportion of the population that have no interest in ANY sport. Not to mention that if you went to a private school you will find GAA sports are actually banned. Do Clongowes or Gonzaga have GAA teams?

Manstein (Roscommon) - 31/08/2017 11:30:09    2041074

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "So Roddy Doyle has made some laughable comments on the GAA https://www.balls.ie/gaa/roddy-doyle-gaa-372547 while showing himself wedded to a club in another country as if it were his own.
But been wondering are his opinions that of a begrudger or typical of the opinions of most people in the capital.
Growing up in Meath I used to think Dublin was GAA mad from visiting Croke Park for big Meath/Dublin clashes back in the day. But now having lived and worked on both sides of the Liffey I do wonder if Roddy Doyle is more reflective of Dubs in general. I find it very hard to have a GAA conversation in work with the Dubs. All summer all they've cared about is transfer gossip, McGregor and golf and I get the odd 'no skill in gah' and 'its all corrupt' comment. Meanwhile the culchies in the office love a GAA conversation.
Ok going to qualify all this and say yes there are plenty of passionate GAA people in Dublin. This forum an example of it but as a Dublin friend who loves GAA said to me on Whatsapp this morning to me hes been dealing with GAA hating people his whole life.
Not looking to have a pop at Dubs, actually I want feedback from Dubs on here mostly and see what experiences you've had with people who think like Roddy Doyle. Is hes the exception or the rule?"
He just comes across as a complete 'soccer' head to use modern parlance tbh. Doesn't like rugby either. From my experience working in Dublin there are more like him in Dublin than rural counties. But rural counties have plenty too.

It's ironic. This could be posted on all the anti Dublin threads re. finance, Dublin dominance etc to show what the Dubs are up against!!

Laois76 (Laois) - 31/08/2017 11:36:35    2041080

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I live in Limerick, in the city the GAA barely exists
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts:7744 - 31/08/2017 11:00:09 204

apart from monaleen mungret , around claughan, caherdavin, ballinacurra where they have good clubs there are vast swathes of the city untouched by the good ship gaa -in the county however gaa is king
in saying that between soccer,gaa rugby there is excellent cross code support in limerick most fella and kids support all 3

janesboro (Limerick) - 31/08/2017 11:39:39    2041081

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I'm finding kind of hard to figure out what hes trying to say. I presume there's more to the interview.
I wouldn't go down the road of insulting him for being a soccer man. that's his choice. i think GAA people find it so hard to understand how another irish person in general can prefer soccer over GAA. I have friends from cavan and elsewhere who prefer soccer. I got a taxi to croke park Saturday and the taxi driver didn't even know who playing!!!!!, funny i got a taxi into town after with a Nigerian and he was mad into the GAA. We had a great conversation about the game!!!!!

theweanling (Cavan) - 31/08/2017 11:40:20    2041082

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Cant argue to much , Dubs fall into many many categories
New Immigrants with a complete disconnect
Rugby loving area's/fans that rarely cross over
Soccer loving fans who hate the GAA
Soccer Loving fans who love Gaa in the Summer (August onwards)
The stereo west brit does exist
But
Then there is
The Passionate Dub fan rain or shine will follow and does
The Sports fan who loves the Dubs
The Dub who loves GAA and Dublin

I will concede my country cousins are passionate in the office about GAA and their county but I believe that's fuelled by the fact they don't live there , When I worked/lived in Athens St Patricks day meant the world to me , living at home Id hardly step outside.
Dubs who are passionate about their GAA are no different to anyone else they support good times and bad , fundraise , support local clubs , they are just harder to find in a near two million populated city."
Excellent summation Damo. Very much my experience from 10 years college and working in the capital.

I lived in a lot of diverse areas.. Crumlin, Summerhill, Rathfarnham, Donnybrook, Ranelagh, Dundrum, Glenageary.

Laois76 (Laois) - 31/08/2017 11:44:25    2041087

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "So Roddy Doyle has made some laughable comments on the GAA https://www.balls.ie/gaa/roddy-doyle-gaa-372547 while showing himself wedded to a club in another country as if it were his own.
But been wondering are his opinions that of a begrudger or typical of the opinions of most people in the capital.
Growing up in Meath I used to think Dublin was GAA mad from visiting Croke Park for big Meath/Dublin clashes back in the day. But now having lived and worked on both sides of the Liffey I do wonder if Roddy Doyle is more reflective of Dubs in general. I find it very hard to have a GAA conversation in work with the Dubs. All summer all they've cared about is transfer gossip, McGregor and golf and I get the odd 'no skill in gah' and 'its all corrupt' comment. Meanwhile the culchies in the office love a GAA conversation.
Ok going to qualify all this and say yes there are plenty of passionate GAA people in Dublin. This forum an example of it but as a Dublin friend who loves GAA said to me on Whatsapp this morning to me hes been dealing with GAA hating people his whole life.
Not looking to have a pop at Dubs, actually I want feedback from Dubs on here mostly and see what experiences you've had with people who think like Roddy Doyle. Is hes the exception or the rule?"
It looks like I can only listen to the podcast if I subscribe €5 a month, plus VAT, to the 2nd Captains service. I like McDevitt but I won't pay to listen to podcasts. I'm a bit cynical of some of these Joe.ie and Balls.ie reports, some of them report stuff out of context for a bit of sensationalism. 'Doyle suggested here was an element of fraudulence about the Association.' What did he actually say?

There are people who love soccer and look forward to the PL season starting at the end of the GAA season. There are small crowds at GAA matches.

I like Roddy Doyle, a very good writer. If he was from Mayo I wouldn't think he represented the views of Mayo people. I think he represents his own views and has done well from doing that.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 31/08/2017 11:54:32    2041093

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Replying To janesboro:  "I live in Limerick, in the city the GAA barely exists
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts:7744 - 31/08/2017 11:00:09 204

apart from monaleen mungret , around claughan, caherdavin, ballinacurra where they have good clubs there are vast swathes of the city untouched by the good ship gaa -in the county however gaa is king
in saying that between soccer,gaa rugby there is excellent cross code support in limerick most fella and kids support all 3"
apart from monaleen mungret , around claughan, caherdavin, ballinacurra

Monaleen - County
Mungret - County
Claughan - a dying club on its knees
Caherdavin/Clareview would be a fair share of GAA there alright out past the Ennis Rd
Ballinacurra - Cant say too much GAA interest in general amongst the Weston boys :)

Not for a second having a pop at u buddy, but u get my point.....
I was talking City limits

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 11:57:34    2041095

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The majority of the population of Dublin couldn't give a hoot about GAA. So no, we don't have the pick people think we have.
As for Roddy Doyle, I wouldn't be a fan.

realdub (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 12:10:53    2041102

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Gaelic Football is comfortably the second sport in the city and county. Still a bit behind soccer but the gap is considerably closer than it once was but I'd doubt it'll ever be closed. But miles ahead of any other sport in the city/county.

There'd be some antipathy towards the GAA in Dublin still but again not half as much as in the past. The 'culchies only game' thing has been dying out since the 50s and it's one I rarely if ever hear anymore but would have heard a lot in the past.

The Dubs have strong support across the city and county and are probably the biggest one 'brand' in the city/county with the exception of the Ireland team when they are going well.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 12:32:12    2041111

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Jaysus admin, what's wrong with saying I don't think Roddy Doyle is funny.

realdub (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 12:42:44    2041115

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Some spot on points made here and if you're interested in some true insights into GAA in Dublin I'd suggest you read some of the previous comments up above

I was the only kid in my class - 1st- 6th class who played GAA and I lived in North Dublin!!

Everything was about soccer, now as Mes has said up above - that has changed a lot over the last 25-30 years since I was a nipper in primary school

GAA participation has grown but there are still many 10's of thousand's of Dublin families that wouldn't have the slightest interest in GAA

Dublin is a mad little place (very divided in parts) and I'd 100% agree with Whammo's assessment

We have a very similar split seen in Northern Ireland when it comes to sports...

There's a big class / religious divide going on that directs children to a certain sport over another

It's always amusing to see our large population to pick from argument...

jimbodub (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 13:42:44    2041151

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in the 90's in clondalkin and walkinstown there was almost zero interest in GAA amongst locals teenagers, I was one.
In Ballinteer where my cousins lived it was worse! GAA was totally a niche thing, until 95, and in particular Jayo came along.
People used to slag Dublin for not caring about GAA and saying Dublin shuold do more to cultivate the game in the estates, well, we did.
And now look.........

People gave out then for Dublin not being a GAA city, we rectified that, and now, its the opposite, people give out for Dublin being too big!

And its still only the second game in the city! Imagine if it REALLY took off!

Mes is right, "The Dubs" as a team, an institution is the biggest sports team in Dublin. It is the most popular, its players are the biggest stars in the city.
But question to lads who claim to be gaels but give out about the Dubs, would you rather it was a GAA Dub, or a Leinster Dub on a bill board?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 14:38:00    2041179

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This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here.


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Tyrone 31/08/2017 16:58

Roddy Doyle's GAA "knowledge"

"I always feel that GAA is really football supporters getting through the summer".

Rodders thinks the GAA is about inter-county championships in Croke Park. Oh dear. Writers are supposed to be observant and curious about what's going on around them. How does a supposedly-intelligent bloke have zero insight into how clubs are the heart-beat of communities the length and breadth of the country? How do you counter small-minded, ill-informed stuff like this?

I encountered real hatred of the GAA in Dublin. This sniggering contempt ("bog-ball" /"stick-fighting" /muck-savages" etc) was always from the ground-ball losers. The Rugby people either are indifferent or politely interested; but they're at least mannerly. But in my 15 years living in Dublin, I encountered quite a few soccer fans who openly hated the GAA.

The interesting thing was that this was never from LOI fans - the real cultural hatred, in my experience, came from the sad-sacks who, pathetically, say "we" when talking about the likes of MANU (NYSE) stock price US$16.60.

This sort of un-civilised nonsense is why you'll never hear me say a bad word about the Mighty Dubs. Fair play to Jim Gavin and the squad for what they're doing for GAA in the Pale.

Administrator (None) - 31/08/2017 17:06:02    2041265

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It's the same thing in Drogheda. Drogheda was always a soccer town. Growing up it was all about Liverpool and Man Utd. A Limerick man who is living up here years told me he had no interest in the foreign sport till he moved up here. But funny enough if you go a couple of miles out the road to rural area's like Collon, Tullyallen, Monasterboice, Ballymakenny, Termonfeckin, Baltray and Clogherhead it's all GAA mad.

OLLIE (Louth) - 31/08/2017 17:19:02    2041268

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Roddy Doyle is a socceroo, the opposite of say a Ruggeroo from the opposite side of the City. Both types come from a part of the city that regard the GAA as some sort of embarressment. Neither types have time or space for the GAA, they see the GAA and the people that follow it as some sort of vile throw-back they see it in a very narrow generalised way. They praise soccer but wouldn't be seen dead at a League of Ireland game says a lot about this authors character. A bit disappointing but not terribly surprising to hear such rubbish from someone who is supposed to have insight etc etc All he is doing is well spouting his own prejudice but I guess. You get this type of people in all areas of Ireland not just Dublin but he is fairly typical of a certain type that are best avoided/ignored it comes from an inferiority complex typical of people who regard themselves as Cosmopolitan but haven't actually left the street they born in.

arock (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 17:24:57    2041270

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "So Roddy Doyle has made some laughable comments on the GAA https://www.balls.ie/gaa/roddy-doyle-gaa-372547 while showing himself wedded to a club in another country as if it were his own.
But been wondering are his opinions that of a begrudger or typical of the opinions of most people in the capital.
Growing up in Meath I used to think Dublin was GAA mad from visiting Croke Park for big Meath/Dublin clashes back in the day. But now having lived and worked on both sides of the Liffey I do wonder if Roddy Doyle is more reflective of Dubs in general. I find it very hard to have a GAA conversation in work with the Dubs. All summer all they've cared about is transfer gossip, McGregor and golf and I get the odd 'no skill in gah' and 'its all corrupt' comment. Meanwhile the culchies in the office love a GAA conversation.
Ok going to qualify all this and say yes there are plenty of passionate GAA people in Dublin. This forum an example of it but as a Dublin friend who loves GAA said to me on Whatsapp this morning to me hes been dealing with GAA hating people his whole life.
Not looking to have a pop at Dubs, actually I want feedback from Dubs on here mostly and see what experiences you've had with people who think like Roddy Doyle. Is hes the exception or the rule?"
Live in Meath and most Meath folk are indifferent to GAA. Would expect it to be different if Meath started getting success again. Most Dubs I know can at least have a conversation about GAA. Again success sparks more of an interest. Same with any county.

poguemahone (Dublin) - 31/08/2017 17:25:06    2041271

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