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Replying To GaryMc82: "He has to stay IMO better the devil you know boomerang (Mayo) - Posts:18 - 31/08/2017 13:51:40 I think after 16 years or whatever a fresh voice might do no harm, there is no reason he couldn't step back in 2 or 3 years time if things do go south in his absence. Ultimately Tyrone football will continue long after Mickey steps down, and other budding managers will need to guide the ship. I admire Mickey Harte his tactical ability and his vast achievements, keeping in mind that Tyrone had never previously won an All Ireland when he brought them across the line in 2003. There are different mental challenge involved in bringing a County who never previously won an All Ireland or hadn't won one in decades to the top of the Mountain, than taking a County who regularly win All Ireland's to the top." That's fair enough but at the minute Tyrone are a bit like a mountaineer without a sherpa and half way up the bloody thing. They don't want to go down but they can't go up and the hoors at Base camp are looking up the wrong mountain. Think it could end badly. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 06/09/2017 08:26:09 2043255 Link
3 years just like that seems odd. Maybe that's his lot though. SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 06/09/2017 08:48:16 2043262 Link
Replying To rahillyman: "Tyrone county board once again bottle it we can now look forward to 3 more years of the muck we have had to endure over the past number of years and watch our best forwards playing at corner back again. 9 years and counting and we have failed to beat any of the top teams at Croke Park more of our best talent lost it makes the decision on the season ticket easier. someone wake me in 3 years when we are talking about 12 years without beating any of the top teams" To be fair rahillyman I feel you have a personal gripe with Mickey because he doesn't start Micky O'Neill in goals. I believe Morgan is the second best keeper in Ireland so his decision was justified. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/09/2017 09:01:57 2043268 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "To be fair rahillyman I feel you have a personal gripe with Mickey because he doesn't start Micky O'Neill in goals. I believe Morgan is the second best keeper in Ireland so his decision was justified." Again nobody can criticize Micky Harte without having a personal agenda. It's getting worse than North Korea in Tyrone. The mans attitude, game plan and record over the past 8 years has spoken for itself. Try to justify it all you want but we are doomed for another 3 years of horrible football including a good hammering in July/August every year. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 06/09/2017 10:42:50 2043329 Link
The rubbish from Brolly on Twitter about this is sad. He is a click bait merchant looking to make money from the GAA, and worse is the clowns who lsiten. I have only one question, if not Harte who? Unless this can be answered then maybe this is the reason he has the extension witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 06/09/2017 10:50:38 2043337 Link
Replying To Wally: "Again nobody can criticize Micky Harte without having a personal agenda. It's getting worse than North Korea in Tyrone. The mans attitude, game plan and record over the past 8 years has spoken for itself. Try to justify it all you want but we are doomed for another 3 years of horrible football including a good hammering in July/August every year." But you will still turn up for the big days in Croke park won't you? Listen he has got 3 years. Get over it. Back the team and start going to a few games earlier in the year instead of sitting in the armchair criticising Tyrone. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/09/2017 10:58:50 2043340 Link
Replying To Wally: "Again nobody can criticize Micky Harte without having a personal agenda. It's getting worse than North Korea in Tyrone. The mans attitude, game plan and record over the past 8 years has spoken for itself. Try to justify it all you want but we are doomed for another 3 years of horrible football including a good hammering in July/August every year." But you will still turn up for the big days in Croke park won't you? Listen he has got 3 years. Get over it. Back the team and start going to a few games earlier in the year instead of sitting in the armchair criticising Tyrone. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/09/2017 10:58:51 2043341 Link
Replying To witnof: "The rubbish from Brolly on Twitter about this is sad. He is a click bait merchant looking to make money from the GAA, and worse is the clowns who lsiten. I have only one question, if not Harte who? Unless this can be answered then maybe this is the reason he has the extension" I have heard this argument many times and I just cant understand it. You would think that we had no other successful managers in Tyrone. We have had many successful All Ireland winning underage managers over the years and the natural progression of things should be that they are allowed to develop and take their teams through from minor to U21 and then to senior. Mickey Harte has stumped this progression with his arrogant and selfish hold of the position. So in short, you asked 'if not Mickey then who'? I will answer that..Our 2015 All Ireland winning team of Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and Fergal Logan. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 06/09/2017 10:59:16 2043342 Link
Replying To witnof: "The rubbish from Brolly on Twitter about this is sad. He is a click bait merchant looking to make money from the GAA, and worse is the clowns who lsiten. I have only one question, if not Harte who? Unless this can be answered then maybe this is the reason he has the extension" You're right about Brolly. Horrible, egotistical little man. I wish he would go and manage Dungiven for a year see how he gets on. That's s good point. Is there a better manager in Tyrone than Mickey Harte. No. Try telling that to some people. So why replace him. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/09/2017 11:01:35 2043344 Link
Replying To Wally: "I have heard this argument many times and I just cant understand it. You would think that we had no other successful managers in Tyrone. We have had many successful All Ireland winning underage managers over the years and the natural progression of things should be that they are allowed to develop and take their teams through from minor to U21 and then to senior. Mickey Harte has stumped this progression with his arrogant and selfish hold of the position. So in short, you asked 'if not Mickey then who'? I will answer that..Our 2015 All Ireland winning team of Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and Fergal Logan." Would Peter Canavan take over after Mickey Harte? Fellow club mate and all they have been though. Highly doubtful. And with his Sky commitments. How did he do with Fermanagh? Never won a championship with Errigal. Did well with u21 and schools football. Legend of a man but to early yet for Peter. Logan did well with a fantastic u21 team. No county experience. Same as Dooher. Maybe in years to come. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/09/2017 11:15:40 2043355 Link
Replying To Wally: "I have heard this argument many times and I just cant understand it. You would think that we had no other successful managers in Tyrone. We have had many successful All Ireland winning underage managers over the years and the natural progression of things should be that they are allowed to develop and take their teams through from minor to U21 and then to senior. Mickey Harte has stumped this progression with his arrogant and selfish hold of the position. So in short, you asked 'if not Mickey then who'? I will answer that..Our 2015 All Ireland winning team of Peter Canavan, Brian Dooher and Fergal Logan." Not sure about Fergal Logan as wouldn't be the same connection with Harte but no way would Canavan or Dooher come in if Harte was pushed out - have mixed feelings myself on a new 3 year term but the reality is: 1 Who is capable of taking Tyrone to the next level if that is possible at present 2 Who is willing to step in should the Tyrone Co. Board of said thanks Mickey but time to go. Also in reality, after watching Tyrone against Dublin do we really have the players to achieve any more than they are doing at the minute? I'm not so sure, back to back Ulster titles for only 4th time in our history (one of the previous times was also under Harte), Division 1 football, All-Ireland quarters / semis, this may be the limit for this bunch of players. Similar to those abusing Martin O'Neill for the soccer teams tactics and results, all you can do is work with the players available and try to devise a strategy to get the most out of them, if the players aren't available who can cut it at the top level nothing the manager can do will change that. benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 06/09/2017 11:21:40 2043359 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "Would Peter Canavan take over after Mickey Harte? Fellow club mate and all they have been though. Highly doubtful. And with his Sky commitments. How did he do with Fermanagh? Never won a championship with Errigal. Did well with u21 and schools football. Legend of a man but to early yet for Peter. Logan did well with a fantastic u21 team. No county experience. Same as Dooher. Maybe in years to come." So Mickey cannot be replaced because the most suitable replacements are too scared of upsetting him?? Crazy talk. Peter may have had limited success on his own but the team of himself, Dooher and Fergal was very successful. And why do you say in a few years time? Why should they have to wait 5 years from when they won their U21 Championship. How are they possibly going to get the senior county experience they need if they cannot manage the senior county team? This is the problem, so many supporters are crippled by fear of change. I have said it before, I would rather spend a few years floating between division 1&2 and not winning what is now very weak provincial championship if it meant that we could develop a fresh approach our players could start playing to their full potential. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 06/09/2017 11:35:16 2043364 Link
Replying To Wally: "So Mickey cannot be replaced because the most suitable replacements are too scared of upsetting him?? Crazy talk. Peter may have had limited success on his own but the team of himself, Dooher and Fergal was very successful. And why do you say in a few years time? Why should they have to wait 5 years from when they won their U21 Championship. How are they possibly going to get the senior county experience they need if they cannot manage the senior county team? This is the problem, so many supporters are crippled by fear of change. I have said it before, I would rather spend a few years floating between division 1&2 and not winning what is now very weak provincial championship if it meant that we could develop a fresh approach our players could start playing to their full potential." Crazy talk or the reality of the situation? benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 06/09/2017 12:05:54 2043380 Link
Replying To Wally: "So Mickey cannot be replaced because the most suitable replacements are too scared of upsetting him?? Crazy talk. Peter may have had limited success on his own but the team of himself, Dooher and Fergal was very successful. And why do you say in a few years time? Why should they have to wait 5 years from when they won their U21 Championship. How are they possibly going to get the senior county experience they need if they cannot manage the senior county team? This is the problem, so many supporters are crippled by fear of change. I have said it before, I would rather spend a few years floating between division 1&2 and not winning what is now very weak provincial championship if it meant that we could develop a fresh approach our players could start playing to their full potential." You admit that Peter has had limited success at county level, Logan and Dooher have zero county experience and you still want them managing Tyrone. Replacing Mickey is massive. Peter Canavan wouldn't do it in my opinion. Too close to him. What is Mickey bought in Peter to his coaching set up, a forwards coach say. Or a Stephen O'Neill? I think that would be a good move and shake things up. Going down a division is dangerous. Look at Cork, struggling in div 2. Div 2 could turn to div 3 very easily and then players etc lose interest. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/09/2017 12:30:13 2043394 Link
was there any other candidates put forward by the clubs? SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 06/09/2017 12:30:47 2043395 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "You admit that Peter has had limited success at county level, Logan and Dooher have zero county experience and you still want them managing Tyrone. Replacing Mickey is massive. Peter Canavan wouldn't do it in my opinion. Too close to him. What is Mickey bought in Peter to his coaching set up, a forwards coach say. Or a Stephen O'Neill? I think that would be a good move and shake things up. Going down a division is dangerous. Look at Cork, struggling in div 2. Div 2 could turn to div 3 very easily and then players etc lose interest." Again more fear. What if, What if! I will ask the question again. If our very successful minor and u21 winning management teams are not allowed to manage the county senior team then how are they to develop the experience that you say they require?? What experience did Mickey have managing senior inter country football before he was given the job back in 02? Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 06/09/2017 13:04:05 2043410 Link
is it true he defended his "system" post match on BBC??? Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 06/09/2017 13:19:41 2043416 Link
Replying To Wally: "Again more fear. What if, What if! I will ask the question again. If our very successful minor and u21 winning management teams are not allowed to manage the county senior team then how are they to develop the experience that you say they require?? What experience did Mickey have managing senior inter country football before he was given the job back in 02?" 2 u21 all irelands. 3 Ulster u21's. 1 minor all Ireland and 2 Ulster minors. Won Tyrone championship and Ulster with Errigal. Various schools trophies. That's off the top of my head. What if Canavan, Logan and Dooher had been offered the job and turned it down? Who then? Listen Mickey has his 3 years. Nothing you can do about it. Let's get behind him and hope Tyrone kick on. As I've said last year wasn't a terrible year for Tyrone. Get over it The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/09/2017 14:17:35 2043437 Link
Replying To Wally: "Again more fear. What if, What if! I will ask the question again. If our very successful minor and u21 winning management teams are not allowed to manage the county senior team then how are they to develop the experience that you say they require?? What experience did Mickey have managing senior inter country football before he was given the job back in 02?" 2 u21 all irelands. 3 Ulster u21's. 1 minor all Ireland and 2 Ulster minors. Won Tyrone championship and Ulster with Errigal. Various schools trophies. That's off the top of my head. What if Canavan, Logan and Dooher had been offered the job and turned it down? Who then? Listen Mickey has his 3 years. Nothing you can do about it. Let's get behind him and hope Tyrone kick on. As I've said last year wasn't a terrible year for Tyrone. Get over it The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/09/2017 14:17:35 2043438 Link
Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "is it true he defended his "system" post match on BBC???" Did Pat Gilroy have a defensive "system" when Dublin won in 2011? Did he defend it? Did you cheer any less when you won the all Ireland? The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/09/2017 14:19:11 2043440 Link