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jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 29/08/2017 14:30:04 2040107 Link 1 |
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So population is the reason why you feel Dublin should be split in two? So on that basis, I'm guessing you are lumping all your money on China to win the World Cup next year? We can only pick 15 players like every other county and we both know these things come in cycles. We haven't won a minor title since 2012, Kerry are going for 4 in a row. Kerry will be back, as will Mayo. gingerdub (Dublin) - Posts: 11 - 29/08/2017 14:31:31 2040110 Link 0 |
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You do know we hammered Dublin twice at u17 this year. Facts straight before spouting bs lad.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/08/2017 16:00:19 2040188 Link 1 |
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But surely it's a false premise - pumping money into weaker counties = success. Dublin have always had money to invest, ever since the Arnotts deal. What's a few million going to do for Fermanagh, Cavan, Sligo, Offaly, Clare? Dublin were mocked in 08 for having a 'blue book'. Three years later they were lifting sam. They built a panel under three successive managers, Caffrey, Gilroy and Gavin. Ex-stars are coaching underage teams, Sherlock, Whelan, Moran, Lally. A strategy was formed and plan put in place and Andy Kettle played no little part in it. Money will not buy success, not without all of the other ingredients. It's lazy analysis to suggest that money has been the catalyst for Dublin's current success and the catalyst for other county's develoment strategy failings.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 29/08/2017 16:06:59 2040192 Link 0 |
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You're right there RD. Meath potentially begining to get things together. New centre of excellence also. Do you think if the GAA threw €5m at the MCB that it would yield a Sam? That seems to be the argument from some, money = success. I understood that there was, and maybe still is, a lot of political in-fighting within the MCB re management team appointments to the senior football team. Has that all died down now?
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 29/08/2017 16:12:41 2040196 Link 0 |
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I would agree however how many of the people on here have tried to develop a GAA club in an urban setting where green space has to be built on to provide houses for the same population that everyone mentions. Everyone in Dublin and from outside is complaining about the lack of housing - where is it to be built unless we accept that it goes vertical? great success with that in Dublin in the past. The big population centers in Dublin were not built with the GAA in mind or any sports activities for that matter - so what do you do? will working class people get on a bus and travel an hour or more to training out in the countryside? The existing clubs in the city are full to the brim, they could be split but where would the split go?
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 29/08/2017 16:19:08 2040203 Link 0 |
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It's hardly a surprise that funding and sponsorship tend to follow population. However, I think that the major, and indeed basic, problem facing the GAA over the next number of years, is sorting out the structures, or units, on which our competitions are based. Structures that were convenient to underpin the development of the GAA in 1884 are not fit for purpose in the 21st century. The inequalities, that are apparent to most people, will simply continue to grow to the disadvantage of mainly rural and semi-rural areas at first, but probably will, within a fairly short period of time, undermine the whole Association. Already we have lost a number of rural clubs whilst others will manage to survive for a little longer through amalgamations of two or three former clubs. The so-called 'Super 8' could possibly send many of the weaker counties into a 'tail spin' that would see them drop out of competition as players opt out. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 29/08/2017 16:56:55 2040246 Link 0 |
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Open The Lid on Dublin's Finances WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 29/08/2017 17:13:24 2040253 Link 0 |
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Ahh mcb are a law onto themselves. The centre of excellence ? Jury out still. The floodlights fiasco I think showed exactly the type of goings on at cb level The steering group that were set up for underage is paying off though so we won't give them too hard of time yet. The politics? Between cb and management? Well that's the thing it is actually political in every sense, the CB would be quite ff in its make up, the management would be fg (the names Dempsey and mcentee are two heavyweights in politics in county ) My opinion is that politics should be kept out of sport , but there is tension. Hopefully they all work together for better of Meath football royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/08/2017 17:30:14 2040261 Link 0 |
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We wouldn't have the population (145,000) or the potential to generate enough money to be split in two to be honest. Dubs have both these things in abundance and I'm only saying it as it's not fair on so many people playing GAA in Dublin will never get the chance to play intercounty football because ye only have one team. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/08/2017 17:59:00 2040281 Link 0 |
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Population of Leitrim - 31, 972 Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 29/08/2017 19:46:37 2040339 Link 0 |
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Most Gaelic footballers in Dublin couldn't make the team for years, whether they were winning All Ireland or not. Didn't stop ye in 2014 or Donegal in 2012 and won't stop counties striving to beat them. Just my opinion, probably old fashioned, but I think splitting a county is as ridiculous as combining weaker counties. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 29/08/2017 21:43:51 2040408 Link 1 |
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The argument about percentages getting a chance to play senior inter county gaelic football doesn't cut the mustard with me. Say Laois has a population of 80,000. Would we have 1%, 800, living county and ex county players? Multiply Dublin's pop by 15. So roughly 0.15% have a chance of playing senior inter county roughly in Dublin. No matter where you are the vast majority won't get a chance to play inter county football. Leitrim is your best bet. 99% of players are club players solely. As green and red said stop this nonsense of splitting counties. Dublin is it's own entity just as Leitrim, Carlow and Laois etc. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 29/08/2017 22:09:02 2040427 Link 6 |
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Ah look it's just an idea is all, and I think is going to happen eventually as football dies out in the rest of the country. Des Cahill showed the subs for the dubs forwards the other day and all 6 players (2 of them former Potys) would get on every other team on the country including Kerry and Mayo . Their 3rd string team won the o'Byrne cup this year so they have the talent for 3 teams really. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/08/2017 22:33:38 2040446 Link 1 |
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'What was good enough for my father and his father before him is good enough for me', is that your line of thought?
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 29/08/2017 22:47:18 2040457 Link 1 |
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No. I'd restructure the championship into senior, intermediate and junior for a start. I wouldn't have a super 8. The county is sacrosanct to the gaa in my opinion.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 29/08/2017 23:16:26 2040491 Link 6 |
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what about the separate 1 million Dublin get from the sports council?
valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 29/08/2017 23:21:19 2040495 Link 0 |
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Dublin are where they are now for two reasons, 1 is hard work and the other is putting the measures in place so that they can achieve their potential. A high number of ex county players and quality coaches are willing and able to work within the system, whether this is out of loyalty or because the system is so good I don't know but it is working. Not alone are quality players coming through but the attitude is excellent and hence they continue to improve. lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 29/08/2017 23:41:49 2040513 Link 0 |
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A fundamental principle for the GAA is that Leitrim is as systemically important to the Association as Dublin. That principle is being seriously eroded and once gone, its over for everyone including Dublin as there will be no meaningful competition. facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 214 - 29/08/2017 23:57:23 2040527 Link 0 |
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Yep 1m of 3.5m that gets invested in GAA by a body independent of the GAA. People do know that Dublin has a huge percentage of the population, right? Of course it gets a large chunk of government money. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4221 - 30/08/2017 05:49:37 2040546 Link 0 |