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As a neutral today, I was just looking forward to a great game of football following the very enjoyable drawn game, and I have to say I did enjoy the game. I was delighted Mayo won because I do think this team deserve a huge amount of credit for the work they have put in to keep coming back after years of disappointment. I was also glad they won because I do not like teams resorting to the type of carry on that Kerry engaged in right from the start. I had no problem with the way Kerry set up, i.e quite defensive if thats what they thought would win them the game, but I do have a problem with the way they tried to drag Mayo into a fight by continually fouling off the ball etc. I understand Kerry people feeling that criticism of their team is just 'Kerry bashing' and I accept that people like to see the higher profile teams being brought down to earth, but I would like to think that true Kerry football people will be appalled with their teams attitude today and that people with influence within the county will quietly ensure that this approach is knocked on the head. I thought that the referee had an impossible task today and that overall he had a good game. I thought in real time that Darren O'Sullivan should have got a black card and I have'nt seen any replays of the incident but I believe that he (and I) may have got this wrong. However I would also say that quite a few Kerry players before this could also have received a similar sanction and I do not think Kerry people can blame the referee as their team cannot expect to engage in such underhand tactics and expect to get away with it. Kerry teams in my opinion are judged to a higher standard than other teams. There is a belief that Kerry play football the Kerry way and that they are superior to other teams both in their footballing ability and their approach to the game, today this team dragged themselves down to the bottom of the barrel and I would prefer if Kerry folk acknowledged this rather than blaming people of being anti-Kerry. I for one hope we see Kerry return to their core values as ironically I think if they concentrated on playing football today they could have got a lot closer to Mayo. ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 26/08/2017 21:33:53 2038299 Link
Mayo were awesome today, what a great team. Kerry were second best from the whistle and they found this hard to accept hence the disciplinary issues. Lets not be too cruel to Kerry they got shown up today for being mediocre and that's not easy to take when your use to bringing home sam. Kerry have some deadly young players coming through so they'll be alright I'm sure. Donaghy struck Oshea but sure could you blame him, oshea was in the mans face for two matches in a row and I guess the star thought hey we are beat here but at least i'll get a wack at this guy before I head back to the kingdom. I wouldn't blame him for what he did, Oshea is no angel and if he wants to get into the faces of other players I'm sure he'll get similar treatment down the line. Well done Mayo, looking good but Mayo in finals ........... i'll not go there cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 26/08/2017 21:53:41 2038312 Link
Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST: "As a neutral today, I was just looking forward to a great game of football following the very enjoyable drawn game, and I have to say I did enjoy the game. I was delighted Mayo won because I do think this team deserve a huge amount of credit for the work they have put in to keep coming back after years of disappointment. I was also glad they won because I do not like teams resorting to the type of carry on that Kerry engaged in right from the start. I had no problem with the way Kerry set up, i.e quite defensive if thats what they thought would win them the game, but I do have a problem with the way they tried to drag Mayo into a fight by continually fouling off the ball etc. I understand Kerry people feeling that criticism of their team is just 'Kerry bashing' and I accept that people like to see the higher profile teams being brought down to earth, but I would like to think that true Kerry football people will be appalled with their teams attitude today and that people with influence within the county will quietly ensure that this approach is knocked on the head. I thought that the referee had an impossible task today and that overall he had a good game. I thought in real time that Darren O'Sullivan should have got a black card and I have'nt seen any replays of the incident but I believe that he (and I) may have got this wrong. However I would also say that quite a few Kerry players before this could also have received a similar sanction and I do not think Kerry people can blame the referee as their team cannot expect to engage in such underhand tactics and expect to get away with it. Kerry teams in my opinion are judged to a higher standard than other teams. There is a belief that Kerry play football the Kerry way and that they are superior to other teams both in their footballing ability and their approach to the game, today this team dragged themselves down to the bottom of the barrel and I would prefer if Kerry folk acknowledged this rather than blaming people of being anti-Kerry. I for one hope we see Kerry return to their core values as ironically I think if they concentrated on playing football today they could have got a lot closer to Mayo." Very hard to disagree with any of that! It was clear after a couple of minutes that Gough was not putting up with any nonsense and Kerry persisted in trying to drag Mayo into a dogfight. Mayo were no saints themselves it should be said, but I'd accept that Kerry were the main instigators. When Crowley got the early yellow I knew he wouldn't see full time. It was a very disappointing approach overall. You won't beat this Mayo team in a scrap. The pity is that with the right personnel and tactics I am convinced we could have given them a proper game. Anyway, Kerry will come again, and we say good luck to Mayo in the final. What a remarkable bunch of players they are. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 26/08/2017 22:04:17 2038318 Link
Replying To cacsmckilly: "Mayo were awesome today, what a great team. Kerry were second best from the whistle and they found this hard to accept hence the disciplinary issues. Lets not be too cruel to Kerry they got shown up today for being mediocre and that's not easy to take when your use to bringing home sam. Kerry have some deadly young players coming through so they'll be alright I'm sure. Donaghy struck Oshea but sure could you blame him, oshea was in the mans face for two matches in a row and I guess the star thought hey we are beat here but at least i'll get a wack at this guy before I head back to the kingdom. I wouldn't blame him for what he did, Oshea is no angel and if he wants to get into the faces of other players I'm sure he'll get similar treatment down the line. Well done Mayo, looking good but Mayo in finals ........... i'll not go there" Is that how you would like Tyrone to react to a Dublin victory? offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 26/08/2017 22:11:05 2038322 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "I come from a county that traditionally support kerry in football cos it's about the 4th sport in Limerick. Indeed we've had a few limerick men play with Kerry over the years. Today was shocking. A team imitates the manager and that team is slow, ponderous narky and lacking confidence. When the great Kerry teams fouled they used do it better with a smile and a shrug. Fitzmaurice has to go. He's been awful." I remember when Kerry beat Donegal in 2014 a lot on here were making out EF was a great manager and up there with J Galvin / M Harte and co A lot were calling him a genius but to be honest he is a lucky man to have managed an All Ireland winning team. Now through no fault of their own Kerry don't have much problem winning Munster so they are more or less guaranteed a q final spot and usually against weaker opposition. Wheather these young lads come through over the next few years is the big question but they had good minor teams and are now going for four in a row. I have a feeling E F time is up so I'd expect a new manager next year in Kerry SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 26/08/2017 22:14:53 2038326 Link
Whether people like it or not this current Kerry team aren't half as good as teams in the past, 1 major factor is they haven't as much mental experience as they should, for example before half Kerry were going for goals, teams in the past would have kept the head and tagged over a point or 2, every point counts at the end of the game, panic seemed to reign when Kerry were in front of goals riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 26/08/2017 22:22:17 2038331 Link
I am not trying to bash Kerry on here, but I think whilst Mayo are no angels a lot of the indiscipline started with Kerry. They seemed to want to intimidate and it backfired. I'd have questions over Fitzmaurice as a manager. Kerry were not coordinated in attack in any shape or form in both games. Very little link from defence to attack and they've been wide open at the back, which was a problem all season. I really think all those problems are managerial and I think you'd be better off with someone getting their setup right rather than someone who seemed to send out a group of talented players with the sole instruction of get in their faces. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 26/08/2017 22:26:42 2038338 Link
Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST: "As a neutral today, I was just looking forward to a great game of football following the very enjoyable drawn game, and I have to say I did enjoy the game. I was delighted Mayo won because I do think this team deserve a huge amount of credit for the work they have put in to keep coming back after years of disappointment. I was also glad they won because I do not like teams resorting to the type of carry on that Kerry engaged in right from the start. I had no problem with the way Kerry set up, i.e quite defensive if thats what they thought would win them the game, but I do have a problem with the way they tried to drag Mayo into a fight by continually fouling off the ball etc. I understand Kerry people feeling that criticism of their team is just 'Kerry bashing' and I accept that people like to see the higher profile teams being brought down to earth, but I would like to think that true Kerry football people will be appalled with their teams attitude today and that people with influence within the county will quietly ensure that this approach is knocked on the head. I thought that the referee had an impossible task today and that overall he had a good game. I thought in real time that Darren O'Sullivan should have got a black card and I have'nt seen any replays of the incident but I believe that he (and I) may have got this wrong. However I would also say that quite a few Kerry players before this could also have received a similar sanction and I do not think Kerry people can blame the referee as their team cannot expect to engage in such underhand tactics and expect to get away with it. Kerry teams in my opinion are judged to a higher standard than other teams. There is a belief that Kerry play football the Kerry way and that they are superior to other teams both in their footballing ability and their approach to the game, today this team dragged themselves down to the bottom of the barrel and I would prefer if Kerry folk acknowledged this rather than blaming people of being anti-Kerry. I for one hope we see Kerry return to their core values as ironically I think if they concentrated on playing football today they could have got a lot closer to Mayo." Agree with a lot of what you said there with regards to Kerrys approach to the game today. From the off it looked as though they felt the need to lay down a marker with their level of physicality. Perhaps they felt as though Mayo had bullied them to an extent last week, similar to the way they imposed themselves on Dublin in the drawn game last year, and like Dublin they wanted to set the tone early on. The fact that they continued in this way however seemed to upset them more than Mayo, as they never developed any sort of fluidity or control in the game. They adopted a similar approach in the league game against Dublin in Tralee, but pointing out that at the time was labelled as Dublin whingeing, unfortunately for Kerry they obviously thought it was a success in they league and tried to replicate it, but there is a big difference between Tralee in the spring and Croke park in August against one of the top teams in the game. AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 26/08/2017 22:27:42 2038340 Link
Replying To offyertrolley: "Replying to westkerry Re: Most of them come from counties that could kick snow of a rope. Dear wk, just to note, when you decide to use cliches or platitudes in a condescending manner towards the less successful counties, would you at least quote the blinking things correctly, as in: 'they couldn't [or could not kick snow off [not of] a rope!' Coming from one of the aforementioned counties that you are inferring by your remark, I, like many, have always looked up to Kerry football, and the panache (not always) that they are renowned for. This year was not a vintage year by Kerry standards, and not today, by any means. Donaghy's 'throwing the toys out of the pram' so to speak, at the end, was something I'm sure he'll look back on with regret. I felt it demeaned the fine traditions of the Kerry jersey. Where I come from we're used to condescension from many counties, but you know what, we suck it up and get on with it. Your team is not above reproach, and today it was certainly not above criticism, on many levels. I have no doubt Kerry will be back sooner rather than later, and producing scintillating football as well, in contrast to the team I take pride in following. So, in the meantime, I suggest to you 'suck it up', and try to use your platitudes in the correct manner in future, or you'll end up with 'egg on your face', just like Donaghy."]I really don't think anybody should use this forum to correct typos and grammatical errors. You fancy yourself as a bit of an expert on grammar and spelling. Might I just correct one error - among a few - in your own post. You are confusing the meaning of 'imply' and 'infer', a very common mistake. Nonetheless, it is poor communication. I won't comment on your punctuation. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 26/08/2017 22:46:32 2038352 Link
Replying To offyertrolley: "Replying to westkerry Re: Most of them come from counties that could kick snow of a rope. Dear wk, just to note, when you decide to use cliches or platitudes in a condescending manner towards the less successful counties, would you at least quote the blinking things correctly, as in: 'they couldn't [or could not kick snow off [not of] a rope!' Coming from one of the aforementioned counties that you are inferring by your remark, I, like many, have always looked up to Kerry football, and the panache (not always) that they are renowned for. This year was not a vintage year by Kerry standards, and not today, by any means. Donaghy's 'throwing the toys out of the pram' so to speak, at the end, was something I'm sure he'll look back on with regret. I felt it demeaned the fine traditions of the Kerry jersey. Where I come from we're used to condescension from many counties, but you know what, we suck it up and get on with it. Your team is not above reproach, and today it was certainly not above criticism, on many levels. I have no doubt Kerry will be back sooner rather than later, and producing scintillating football as well, in contrast to the team I take pride in following. So, in the meantime, I suggest to you 'suck it up', and try to use your platitudes in the correct manner in future, or you'll end up with 'egg on your face', just like Donaghy."]This is a supporters forum not an English/Grammar class. I made a point well enough for you to understand it. Regarding sucking it up, listen my good man I've seen plenty of defeats that's sport, I was not questioning the result I was questioning posters calling Kerry the dirtiest team in Ireland and other derogatory things. Only a few weeks back other comments calling us the most unsporting people in Ireland. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/08/2017 22:55:59 2038360 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "I come from a county that traditionally support kerry in football cos it's about the 4th sport in Limerick. Indeed we've had a few limerick men play with Kerry over the years. Today was shocking. A team imitates the manager and that team is slow, ponderous narky and lacking confidence. When the great Kerry teams fouled they used do it better with a smile and a shrug. Fitzmaurice has to go. He's been awful." Bloodyban, do you remember the cynicism of Spillane in the 91 Munster final, when he spend the day rolling around pretending to be injured, while winning soft frees? Or the 2004/05 games where the likes of Stephen Kelly were belted off the ball at every opportunity? We in Limerick are well acquainted with the Kingdom's cynicism- today's antics nothing new. football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 26/08/2017 23:00:15 2038364 Link
Replying To riverboys: "Whether people like it or not this current Kerry team aren't half as good as teams in the past, 1 major factor is they haven't as much mental experience as they should, for example before half Kerry were going for goals, teams in the past would have kept the head and tagged over a point or 2, every point counts at the end of the game, panic seemed to reign when Kerry were in front of goals" This our worst team since the early 90s riverboys, we have no pace in the team and a manager that's afraid of his own shadow that fear can seep into a team as well. Anyway back to the drawing board for now. We can relax now and look forward to the county championship and getting our big players back to their clubs. Best of luck in the final. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 26/08/2017 23:16:03 2038376 Link
First of all well done Mayo, winning a replay against the Kingdom, not to be scoffed at. Regarding the bigger picture I do believe that the era of Kerry dominating the championship is consigned to history, take a bow Tyrone, and Mickey Harte, undermining the invincibility of Kerry, follow on Gilroy's Dubs and the current Dubs under Gavin, and now Mayo, don't think any of the top teams have the same sense of awe of Kerry as in yesteryear, more importantly don't think the Kerry boys believe they are "so much" the best and most entitled football team that they used to be. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 26/08/2017 23:41:20 2038386 Link
Replying to westkerry Really? Get over yourself. You made your point quite clearly, and if you had omitted that condescending little swipe you chose to add, then there would not have been any post from me. I stated my admiration for Kerry football as have a lot of people on here. And the general consensus is that they were poor today. But you very deliberately chose to insert that cliche to convey a very specific image of the limitations of other county teams, in general, which clearly reflects your attitude. Your words, not mine. Now, you chose to make that swipe, not in a verbal exchange, but through the medium of text. Yet, you managed to mangle that sarcastic little swipe so badly that you left yourself open to a little ridicule. I too, quite clearly have limitations with my grammar, so be it. The point was not about English grammar, but dignity in defeat. Don't start 'poor mouthing'. You are from the most successful footballing county on the island. Your whingeing is akin to one of those rich bankers complaining about the recession! It happens to us all. I stand by my original point. offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 26/08/2017 23:52:25 2038388 Link
The title to this thread has been composed by the flat earth society. Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 357 - 27/08/2017 00:01:55 2038390 Link
Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "Kerry were a fking disgrace today in many ways" What.... Kerry the aristocrats of Gaelic football... You can't be serious ..??? Hee hee. Like I have been saying for a long time - they showed their true colours today both on the pitch and on the sidelines. As for their stay at home until the Final, fans.... Well well. Twinkle twinkle signed off in true fashion also. Fionn (Dublin)** - Posts: 3725 - 27/08/2017 00:16:05 2038401 Link
ref was brilliant mayo_123 (Mayo) - Posts: 240 - 27/08/2017 01:56:41 2038414 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "I do agree that the game was cynical today and if it was Tyrone v Donegal you could just imagine the outcry. Both teams committed a lot of fouls today which is a shame as it ruined the flow of the game. I was trying to make a more general point about people being so quick to jump on Kerry's grave." I have to say the continual whinging from some Northern posters is becoming tiresome. If this was Tyrone, if this was Donegal, the ref will favour Dublin because all of the media hate Tyrone. Kerry played a blanket just like Donegal yet they don't get slaughtered for it..... It's becoming so boring and predictable now. If Tyrone get beaten tomorrow then it will be because the better team beat them. Forget about 'bias'. Nobody knows this more than Dublin fans when we were hated from one side of the country to the other and couldn't buy a free, let alone media respect. Reputations are usually deservedly earned, good or bad. Quit the tiresome whinging with the chip on the shoulder and enjoy the sport. Best of luck to both teams tomorrow. Today Mayo looked pretty formidable and I wouldn't begrudge them a Sam. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 27/08/2017 02:39:33 2038416 Link
Not a great game. felt like Mayo should have been favs anyhow. Said they should have won by 3/4 No disrespect for Kerry but I think 7/8 times out of 10 mayo would win. As for Dublin 9 times out of 10. Us tomorrow ............... I just feel in my heart maybe just maybe........... GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 27/08/2017 03:05:05 2038417 Link
37 ALL IRELANS, THAT's KERRY FOOTBALL. Enjoy your petty name calling chumps TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 27/08/2017 03:52:17 2038425 Link