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Yes start him. Naming him in the team takes away the hype lets him settle into the game and pull the strings as usual. If he comes on in a game that is at fever pitch it could pass him by spending five of the twenty minutes that he would get off the bench wrestling with the tyrone lads or watching the ball out of play.
Risk reward ,which is better?
I think the risk of him underperforming coming off the bench in a tight game is worse than him underperforming in a game he starts where he can get himself into the game early. Its worth pointing out he is one of the finest long distance kickers in the business. Which could be needed.
All that said judging by Gavin's management,I don't think we will see until the 55minute mark that is if we see him at all ??!
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There's enough there to score plenty so I wouldn't start Connolly. Bring him after 45mins.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 24/08/2017 12:44:16
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No I wouldn't start him or bring him in at all!
Might as well rest him for the final.
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 24/08/2017 13:09:40
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Diarmuid will get game time whether it be from the start, or as a sub. I cant see a scenario whereby he gets no minutes at all. He will need some game time in the legs IF Dubln were to get to an all ireland final. So, He will either start, or he will come on to either help us see the game out, or to try get us back into the game if we are losing.
I wouldnt start Connolly. I dont care how good he is, He cant go 12 weeks without playing because of yet another disciplinary issue, and just waltz back into the starting XV taking the jersey off of someone who has been doing a job and who has had no disciplinary issues. I know Diarmuid Connolly on his day is immense, and when he is letting his footballing ability do the talking, he is worth the admission fee alone.
BUT, There is a much bigger picture here. You are going into a very important game, The players trust the management and the management trust the players. They are all chomping at the bit to get that starting jersey. If a guy who misses more games and gets himself involved in more disciplinary issues and misses games and supposed collective training cause of those issues, it would not be fair on the othrs behaving themselves for one and could be detrimental to team morale not only this season (whats left of it), but the coming seasons and could potentially cause friction between some players and management who could rightly feel very cheesed off if Derm gets a starting berth.
It doesnt send out the right message if derm comes back into the starting xv especially when management have been banging on about lkads performing in a v b games getting the jersey.
Let me reiterate, I love DC, I think he is phenomonal, but im sorry, popular opinion or not, I dont trust him anymore. I just dont trust him. I wouldnt start him again. He never learns, and he will, and i can promise this, he will lose the head and see the line again at least once before he calls time on his Dublin career. No doubt about it.
If he starts, Ill support him, Course i will, I just think he is still a ticking time bomb.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 24/08/2017 13:13:22
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He has to start .. or else all the starting forwards will naturally be drawn to whats happening on the bench until he comes on .
Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 24/08/2017 13:20:58
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Absolutely yes! We need him black or red carded asap!
COME ON TYRONE!
sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 24/08/2017 13:21:40
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If we bring him on during the game Tyrones game-plan will be disrupted and they'll have to change tactics mid-game, it's a hard one to call as nobody knows just what form Diarmuid is in!
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 24/08/2017 13:34:30
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Replying To Superglue: "I'd start on him if I got the chance ;-)" Who think you are? Lee Keegan?!!
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 24/08/2017 13:51:17
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If he is as sharp as he normally is at this time of year then yes.
Gavin could bring him on after 45 mins instead to teach him a lesson like Mick Ryan did with Bubbles last year too. That's obviously high risk because if Tyrone won he could get slated for not starting him.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 24/08/2017 14:49:11
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This is a massive decision, There are different scenarios with probable outcomes
Starts - Targeted and frustrated by Tyrone to encourage a reaction and with his reputation coming before him could result in severe consequences.
Tyrone don't pay any more attention to him than any other player but heavily man marked by McCrory.
Come out of the box all guns firing stick over a couple of points and Dublin go on to a steady win.
Be a no brainer to get booked at least regardless
Subbed Dublin Winning - Bringing off the bench when Dublin's in the lead to try give them an extra lift from the fans and push them over the line.
Like 05 could see a wee brawl like when canavan came on against Armagh in the Ulster Final Replay and lift Tyrone and encourage a comeback
Dublin Losing - Could give Dublin a lift BUT could give Tyrone a sense blood and desperation therefore give us the lift we need to finish you's off
Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 24/08/2017 14:49:18
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Replying To waynoI: "Diarmuid will get game time whether it be from the start, or as a sub. I cant see a scenario whereby he gets no minutes at all. He will need some game time in the legs IF Dubln were to get to an all ireland final. So, He will either start, or he will come on to either help us see the game out, or to try get us back into the game if we are losing.
I wouldnt start Connolly. I dont care how good he is, He cant go 12 weeks without playing because of yet another disciplinary issue, and just waltz back into the starting XV taking the jersey off of someone who has been doing a job and who has had no disciplinary issues. I know Diarmuid Connolly on his day is immense, and when he is letting his footballing ability do the talking, he is worth the admission fee alone.
BUT, There is a much bigger picture here. You are going into a very important game, The players trust the management and the management trust the players. They are all chomping at the bit to get that starting jersey. If a guy who misses more games and gets himself involved in more disciplinary issues and misses games and supposed collective training cause of those issues, it would not be fair on the othrs behaving themselves for one and could be detrimental to team morale not only this season (whats left of it), but the coming seasons and could potentially cause friction between some players and management who could rightly feel very cheesed off if Derm gets a starting berth.
It doesnt send out the right message if derm comes back into the starting xv especially when management have been banging on about lkads performing in a v b games getting the jersey.
Let me reiterate, I love DC, I think he is phenomonal, but im sorry, popular opinion or not, I dont trust him anymore. I just dont trust him. I wouldnt start him again. He never learns, and he will, and i can promise this, he will lose the head and see the line again at least once before he calls time on his Dublin career. No doubt about it.
If he starts, Ill support him, Course i will, I just think he is still a ticking time bomb." Yeah I agree with this take.
Dublin are rightly decent favourites. All going to plan they should beat Tyrone, even without Connolly their forward unit is very slick. Fenton drifting forward from midfield will stretch even Tyrone's defence.
So if I were Gavin I'd be thinking about minimising risks that could throw a spanner in the works. Going down to 14 men would be a huge game changer, in my opinion it's not worth the risky of putting Connolly in at all unless Dublin are actually struggling.
I'm in a minority here I'm sure but I don't even think he's a huge upgrade on what they'll have starting anyway.
He's the most exciting player in the game, probably has the most natural ability but I would question his effectiveness, compared to less flashy players.
60 yard wonder points are a heck of a lot more likely against the likes of a Meath than they will be against a team like Tyrone.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 24/08/2017 15:06:35
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Replying To waynoI: "Diarmuid will get game time whether it be from the start, or as a sub. I cant see a scenario whereby he gets no minutes at all. He will need some game time in the legs IF Dubln were to get to an all ireland final. So, He will either start, or he will come on to either help us see the game out, or to try get us back into the game if we are losing.
I wouldnt start Connolly. I dont care how good he is, He cant go 12 weeks without playing because of yet another disciplinary issue, and just waltz back into the starting XV taking the jersey off of someone who has been doing a job and who has had no disciplinary issues. I know Diarmuid Connolly on his day is immense, and when he is letting his footballing ability do the talking, he is worth the admission fee alone.
BUT, There is a much bigger picture here. You are going into a very important game, The players trust the management and the management trust the players. They are all chomping at the bit to get that starting jersey. If a guy who misses more games and gets himself involved in more disciplinary issues and misses games and supposed collective training cause of those issues, it would not be fair on the othrs behaving themselves for one and could be detrimental to team morale not only this season (whats left of it), but the coming seasons and could potentially cause friction between some players and management who could rightly feel very cheesed off if Derm gets a starting berth.
It doesnt send out the right message if derm comes back into the starting xv especially when management have been banging on about lkads performing in a v b games getting the jersey.
Let me reiterate, I love DC, I think he is phenomonal, but im sorry, popular opinion or not, I dont trust him anymore. I just dont trust him. I wouldnt start him again. He never learns, and he will, and i can promise this, he will lose the head and see the line again at least once before he calls time on his Dublin career. No doubt about it.
If he starts, Ill support him, Course i will, I just think he is still a ticking time bomb." Wayno, this "you cant bring him back in place of a lad who is there all year" especially if that lad is inferior, that's the kinda attitude that gets teams beaten.
You pick your best players, regardless of their personality or behaviour prior to that
If said player is a scallywag and has'nt being putting in a shift in training, and player b has been a good boy and turning up each week but is vastly inferior, and if you know the scallywag is a better player and seriously improves your chances of winning, you play him. Its tough on the other lad, but ask their team mates who they would rather play, the fella who is a decent honest kinda guy or the fella who will get the over the line.
If Ireland qualified for the world Cup say in 2006, and in the first group game, Roy Keane got sent off, and say, Matt Holland came in and played well-ish. Say Ireland got out of the group with Holland in the team, and Ireland were due to play knock out football in the 1/4 against say England or France....and Keano was available.....
Would leave him on his arse and play Holland out of loyalty....bearing in mind Keano also has a "past" with disciplinary issues?? Or would you do what 90% or sane individuals would do and pick the lad who is the best player on the team, maybe in the world in his position!
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 24/08/2017 15:07:00
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Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 24/08/2017 15:17:20
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I'd start him for Tyrone given the chance
downredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 567 - 24/08/2017 15:22:34
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If he starts Tyrone will no doubt have a plan. In the first few seconds a Tyrone player will bump him then move away, another Tyrone player will then move in and give him verbals and move away....while a different Tyrone player again will bump him again and move away....and so on. These are the tactics Kerry have used for the past decade or so BUT that doesn't get a mention because Kerry are Gods while Tyrone.... are good enough for any old abuse.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9701 - 24/08/2017 16:20:47
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No - not match fit
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 24/08/2017 17:32:57
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Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 24/08/2017 17:46:36
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Yes cannot think of a single reason not too.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 24/08/2017 18:06:54
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Replying To Ulsterman: "If he starts Tyrone will no doubt have a plan. In the first few seconds a Tyrone player will bump him then move away, another Tyrone player will then move in and give him verbals and move away....while a different Tyrone player again will bump him again and move away....and so on. These are the tactics Kerry have used for the past decade or so BUT that doesn't get a mention because Kerry are Gods while Tyrone.... are good enough for any old abuse." Jays Ulsterman that's a bit of a low blow bud, I'm sure Tyrone and other teams would have figured out that tactic without our help.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 24/08/2017 18:17:36
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Replying To arock: "Yes cannot think of a single reason not too." nah no risk at all is there!
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 24/08/2017 18:29:11
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