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Is Rochford Calling The Shots

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The David Clarke issue hasn't gone away you know! This man is surely the best shot-stopper in the game but his discomfort in possession whether with ball in hand or on the kicking tee has to be seen to be believed. The trajectory of his kick-outs is awful and shows no sign of improving and his lack of accuracy and distance stand out glaringly. Best shot-stopper in the game allied with the worst kick-out in the game, what a mix! sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 676 - 21/08/2017 15:16:15 2036069 Link
love it , if they win which they should have done , many would give Horan as much credit as Roachford , the man can't win every error and failure in Mayo is down to the management , you could have put AOS in the Hill flying a forty foot flag it would have nothing to do or influence the mind boggling decision making in the last ten minutes , Jim Gavins gets as much stick for his one lapse against Donegal as he does praise for putting together the run of success , indeed I stood beside one fool who told a fellow Dub a blind man could pick the Dublin team it's an easy job we have so many good players , I'd love to know if Roachford is not making the calls who do people think does ?? Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 21/08/2017 15:42:47 2036091 Link
As has been said, the team is well prepared and the spirit within the panel is obviously very unified. So Stephen and coaches, selectors deserve enormous credit for that. Someone just needs to pinch the magic 8 ball which is deciding selection... it obviously has been dropped more often than Alan Freeman! Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 21/08/2017 16:39:17 2036117 Link
Just because people find some of the decisions curious why would you think Rochford isn't making them? Someone is, why wouldn't it be the manager. Some of the criticism of the O'Shea call is harsh. You can see why it was done, Kerry's full forward line is so dangerous and they wanted to try and stop them getting good possession in there. Obviously it didn't really work well with Donaghy playing smartly as a deeper link man. Some of the fault really has to come on the half back line though. They weren't picking up the support runs well enough. O'Shea should have been tighter for Donaghys point and he didn't look especially comfortable but he didn't get much help in my opinion. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4215 - 21/08/2017 17:00:39 2036120 Link
I would play Danny kirby in Midfield instead of Seamy O' Shea. I thought parsons did very well yesterday. The whole hullaballo surrounding AOS is just something the media love. For me it was a wise move. I could see AOS not getting any change out of Moran or Maher at midfield and struggling to break through at half-forward. perhaps he could be moved to full-forward next day. If Barry Moran is fit maybe they could play him on Donaghy. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 21/08/2017 17:34:53 2036132 Link
The only managers who calls the shots are Gavin and Fitzmaurice, all the other selections are made here on HS. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 21/08/2017 18:21:59 2036146 Link
Replying To GetOverTheBar: "Stephen Rochford is an All Ireland Winning manager. To say he's not calling the shots is very odd. He makes some very brave calls, some not necessarily paying off but Mayo are still in the AI Series - arguably they should be in the final today." It is unfortunate that his 'brave calls' always appear the incorrect calls- you don't take off your best players just for the sake of it. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 21/08/2017 20:30:45 2036172 Link
Whatever you may think about a manager's calls, I think for a national ''journalist" to call an inter county management team Donkeys in a headline is very disrespectful. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11229 - 22/08/2017 10:00:27 2036289 Link
These players clearly back their manager. Overall he is doing a good job. He is a brave manager, the O Shea full back call shows that. He will be more effective the next day I feel. The Boyle substitution thing really does baffle me though. Every game no matter how well he is going! And he has a lot of time for Drake, again baffling to me. Very basic. Would love to see Nally again. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 22/08/2017 10:20:42 2036297 Link
In all the games Boyle has come off, he was wrecked when going off, including the last day, he was wrecked in the first half sunday..he seems like a lad that has an injury and cant train but able to play..they dont have too many subs to come on so maybe they could try taking him off at half time and bring him on again the last 15/10 mins.. tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 601 - 22/08/2017 11:27:59 2036326 Link
Replying To tommy132: "In all the games Boyle has come off, he was wrecked when going off, including the last day, he was wrecked in the first half sunday..he seems like a lad that has an injury and cant train but able to play..they dont have too many subs to come on so maybe they could try taking him off at half time and bring him on again the last 15/10 mins.." I'd say he"s under instruction to run himself into the ground and come off when he's emptied the tank. He may be able injured or has some other issue. He certainly looked mobile the last day. Leaving Paddy on the bench is tough one and Shane Nally is another great footballer, but Mayo can't play a team of halfbacks... we already have a number of converted ones in other positions, like Vaughan, Barrett and McLoughlin. Andy even played there for a couple of years under O'Mahony. Higgins too is really more of a hb than a fb, as is Cafferkey. Must be something to do with the curse! Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 22/08/2017 16:03:56 2036447 Link
when you drop a goalie for a replayed all-ireland final who subsequently is chosen by a panel as an all star it says it all. Colm Boyle, operating at 90% of his gps mapping averages, is still worth leaving on the team. Even if he was thrown into the full forward line for a 5 min breather he'd be ok. Look at how he took his goal. It's complete Bullsit that a 31 year old man doing the same training as the rest of his peers should be tiring significantly more quickly. You might be losing a touch of speed at 31 (Keith Higgins definitely isn't at 32!) but you don't lose stamina. If that was the case no one over 30 would be winning World Cross Country Championships, iron men etc. Laois76 (Laois)* - Posts: 1270 - 22/08/2017 23:52:31 2036597 Link
Replying To tommy132: "In all the games Boyle has come off, he was wrecked when going off, including the last day, he was wrecked in the first half sunday..he seems like a lad that has an injury and cant train but able to play..they dont have too many subs to come on so maybe they could try taking him off at half time and bring him on again the last 15/10 mins.." Can't agree with you there. He has taken him off regardless of his condition in all games. His style of play will of course lead to him being wrecked some days but not everyday. To say otherwise is nonsense. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 23/08/2017 07:06:06 2036619 Link
Replying To Laois76: "when you drop a goalie for a replayed all-ireland final who subsequently is chosen by a panel as an all star it says it all. Colm Boyle, operating at 90% of his gps mapping averages, is still worth leaving on the team. Even if he was thrown into the full forward line for a 5 min breather he'd be ok. Look at how he took his goal. It's complete Bullsit that a 31 year old man doing the same training as the rest of his peers should be tiring significantly more quickly. You might be losing a touch of speed at 31 (Keith Higgins definitely isn't at 32!) but you don't lose stamina. If that was the case no one over 30 would be winning World Cross Country Championships, iron men etc." I feel like if Horan kept going with these lot they'd have their All-Ireland by now. Not a fan of Rochford's tactics. He's finally brought a decent attacking running game in since the Rosscomon game, before that Mayo were playing basketball out by the 45 most of their games. Even when most here said Mayo are over the hill this year I didn't believe it. This isn't their last year up there either. They have a whole crop of U-21s people forget about who will in time fill the boots of the old stock when they pass on. I thought it's purely down to management and that seems to be mostly true. They have a very good team and can win an AI but these brave tactical calls are often losing or drawing them games they should be winning. O'Sea call was decent to be fair as it cancelled the ariel threat but Rochford has the worst habit I've ever seen in subbing off playing who are doing well it just baffles me sometimes. For all the complaining people do on Mayo forwards I actually feel they're fine in that department , it's historically always been their defence that has let them down with goals and letting teams back into games with silly frees. GameOfTyrones (Tyrone)* - Posts: 469 - 23/08/2017 09:06:13 2036638 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "Can't agree with you there. He has taken him off regardless of his condition in all games. His style of play will of course lead to him being wrecked some days but not everyday. To say otherwise is nonsense." Agree with you there Flaker. You can talk about GPS or whether he might be carrying an injury but doing such a tactic makes you predictable. Imagine the next day if Boyle is having another good game but Kerry know that Mayo are going to sub him out around the 45 - 50 min mark. They can start planning for this. Like you say, put him up at corner forward to give him a breather for 5 mins. Loads of other lads are putting in running shifts like Boyle but they're not getting subbed, keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 23/08/2017 09:54:41 2036652 Link
Replying To keithlemon: "Agree with you there Flaker. You can talk about GPS or whether he might be carrying an injury but doing such a tactic makes you predictable. Imagine the next day if Boyle is having another good game but Kerry know that Mayo are going to sub him out around the 45 - 50 min mark. They can start planning for this. Like you say, put him up at corner forward to give him a breather for 5 mins. Loads of other lads are putting in running shifts like Boyle but they're not getting subbed," He won't be getting any breather at corner forward Keith, not the way Mayo play. In relation to AOS, I wonder if he might have learned to appreciate how a big man can play full forward by seeing Kieran Donaghy up close? If he's the thinking footballer he's reputed to be Donaghy should certainly have given Aidan a lot to process. The best lessons are often the toughest where you're operating outside your comfort zone. The experience last Sunday will have provided Aidan with a totally new perspective and could bring him on in unexpected ways. Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 23/08/2017 10:26:49 2036666 Link
Replying To keithlemon: "Agree with you there Flaker. You can talk about GPS or whether he might be carrying an injury but doing such a tactic makes you predictable. Imagine the next day if Boyle is having another good game but Kerry know that Mayo are going to sub him out around the 45 - 50 min mark. They can start planning for this. Like you say, put him up at corner forward to give him a breather for 5 mins. Loads of other lads are putting in running shifts like Boyle but they're not getting subbed," I dont think its all about the age I was reading a great article by a Rugby coach Its how many consecutive years a player has been on the pitch pushing himself Keegan looked to be struggling also Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts: 116 - 23/08/2017 10:43:15 2036674 Link
Replying To Pericles: "He won't be getting any breather at corner forward Keith, not the way Mayo play. In relation to AOS, I wonder if he might have learned to appreciate how a big man can play full forward by seeing Kieran Donaghy up close? If he's the thinking footballer he's reputed to be Donaghy should certainly have given Aidan a lot to process. The best lessons are often the toughest where you're operating outside your comfort zone. The experience last Sunday will have provided Aidan with a totally new perspective and could bring him on in unexpected ways." Jesus bit of a risky game to learn a lesson in. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 23/08/2017 10:47:15 2036678 Link
as the week goes on there seems to be a fair bit of revisionism around the AOS at fullback move! It blatantly didnt work last week, after Andy Moran Donaghy was the most influential player on the pitch, most of Kerrys good play went through his hands, he had about 10 yards of space anytime he got the ball, AOS wasnt within sight of him for the KD point or O'Briens goal, cant believe there are some saying it worked. Crazy stuff HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts: 144 - 23/08/2017 11:34:11 2036694 Link
One thing which may be true of Colm Boyle is that if the GPS tracking is correct and he is tiring significantly as games go on at 31 years of age, it is something non age related and he was probably tiring in games at 23 only the technology wasn't available!! Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 23/08/2017 12:03:03 2036710 Link