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As customers Should we see Referee reports

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Tomsmith here

I am not making any reference to recent issues about any Referee, but a general comment that we as the paying customers should see sight of the Referees reports after a game. This could refer to club games as well as county games where after a period of time would elapse we could see sight of the report.
It may give us some insight into how poor Referees see incidents and deal with them all in a few moments and with a lot of pressure from a baying crowd.
For people that shout at Referees ( some obscene comments) my best best advice is to take up the whistle yourself and let us see your report

tomsmith (Cavan) - 17/08/2017 20:06:38    2034875

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How would that help the " poor referee ". Just more pressure surely.

catch22 (USA) - 17/08/2017 20:37:44    2034882

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I think referees are a bit like politicians, you have to be a certain breed and mad enough to do the job in the first place. it would be good to see the reports where there has been controversial incidents, ie. Connolly's this year.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - 17/08/2017 20:43:31    2034887

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#supporters not customers.

No to corporate language in our sports :0)

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - 17/08/2017 21:07:55    2034897

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

I am not making any reference to recent issues about any Referee, but a general comment that we as the paying customers should see sight of the Referees reports after a game. This could refer to club games as well as county games where after a period of time would elapse we could see sight of the report.
It may give us some insight into how poor Referees see incidents and deal with them all in a few moments and with a lot of pressure from a baying crowd.
For people that shout at Referees ( some obscene comments) my best best advice is to take up the whistle yourself and let us see your report"
How erudite of you to 'conjure up' this one.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - 17/08/2017 21:44:06    2034907

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

I am not making any reference to recent issues about any Referee, but a general comment that we as the paying customers should see sight of the Referees reports after a game. This could refer to club games as well as county games where after a period of time would elapse we could see sight of the report.
It may give us some insight into how poor Referees see incidents and deal with them all in a few moments and with a lot of pressure from a baying crowd.
For people that shout at Referees ( some obscene comments) my best best advice is to take up the whistle yourself and let us see your report"
lol....no

waynoI (Dublin) - 18/08/2017 10:22:37    2035017

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

I am not making any reference to recent issues about any Referee, but a general comment that we as the paying customers should see sight of the Referees reports after a game. This could refer to club games as well as county games where after a period of time would elapse we could see sight of the report.
It may give us some insight into how poor Referees see incidents and deal with them all in a few moments and with a lot of pressure from a baying crowd.
For people that shout at Referees ( some obscene comments) my best best advice is to take up the whistle yourself and let us see your report"
What would it achieve if we could see the referee's reports?

Most of us know already what a difficult job match officials have.

Possibly it would lead to some ambulance-chasing solicitors looking for players with a grievance and picking holes in the new evidence. And it would more ammunition to trolls.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 18/08/2017 16:01:03    2035144

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Pyat Pree here

No that would be unfair in the ref, there under too much pressure as it is

PyatPree (Cork) - 20/08/2017 12:37:43    2035503

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Nothing would be achieved from this that would be positive for the game. It's a private document and other than ref and the assessors the only people who should see assessment forms are those who get a refs permission. There is no reason fans should get to see them

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 20/08/2017 22:49:42    2035771

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Nothing would be achieved from this that would be positive for the game. It's a private document and other than ref and the assessors the only people who should see assessment forms are those who get a refs permission. There is no reason fans should get to see them"
Assessors don't see them. The reports are submitted to the county board and, where disciplinary issues are concerned, they are sent out to the club / county involved. There is absolutely no need for any one else to see them.

Torcaill (Australia) - 20/08/2017 23:12:26    2035778

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Nothing would be achieved from this that would be positive for the game. It's a private document and other than ref and the assessors the only people who should see assessment forms are those who get a refs permission. There is no reason fans should get to see them"
Torcail of 170 posts from\Australia

Tomsmith here from County Cavan

If you don't mind I will disagree with you that reports should be private and not for customers viewing.
Well I can tell you that everyone other that poor auld Joe Sop cane see the reports. The County Board, the Clubs involved, the players involved, If it is a County game the Counties involved and if it goes to an appeal the Provincial Council members . So who is left in the dark. Poor old Joe Sop

tomsmith (Cavan) - 22/08/2017 10:26:18    2036301

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

I am not making any reference to recent issues about any Referee, but a general comment that we as the paying customers should see sight of the Referees reports after a game. This could refer to club games as well as county games where after a period of time would elapse we could see sight of the report.
It may give us some insight into how poor Referees see incidents and deal with them all in a few moments and with a lot of pressure from a baying crowd.
For people that shout at Referees ( some obscene comments) my best best advice is to take up the whistle yourself and let us see your report"
Speak to your club secretary, they get all referees reports if they request them.

County secretaries will get the intercounty ones. Speak to your club secretary if you want to see those as well.

Members of the GAA can get access to them if they so wish.

Paying punters through the gates are consumers. Obviously if you're a member then that gives you the rights as highlighted above.

bricktop (Down) - 22/08/2017 11:37:31    2036332

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

I am not making any reference to recent issues about any Referee, but a general comment that we as the paying customers should see sight of the Referees reports after a game. This could refer to club games as well as county games where after a period of time would elapse we could see sight of the report.
It may give us some insight into how poor Referees see incidents and deal with them all in a few moments and with a lot of pressure from a baying crowd.
For people that shout at Referees ( some obscene comments) my best best advice is to take up the whistle yourself and let us see your report"
In short - Yes

Transparency is always the best option. Most of us bar stool punters can accept honest mistakes however lack of transparency always has a whiff of conspiracy.

Mayonman (Galway) - 22/08/2017 13:37:04    2036385

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Replying To bricktop:  "Speak to your club secretary, they get all referees reports if they request them.

County secretaries will get the intercounty ones. Speak to your club secretary if you want to see those as well.

Members of the GAA can get access to them if they so wish.

Paying punters through the gates are consumers. Obviously if you're a member then that gives you the rights as highlighted above."
Tomsmith here

Maybe you would enlighten me as to where members of the GAA can access these reports.
I have a few a would like to see.
I am sure a few supporters away up in Dublin would like to see the Dunlin ones

tomsmith (Cavan) - 22/08/2017 13:52:24    2036390

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In short the answer to the question is no. Can you imagine the tripe that would emanate from the barstool experts and the keyboard warriors if the referees reports were made public .

Greengrass (Louth) - 22/08/2017 16:55:16    2036472

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why would you want to see a refs report? all these keyboard warrior analysts or just plain know all but know f-all commenting looking to see ref reports or looking this that or the other player banned { including those on tv as well } is getting boring. Yes refs make mistakes, they are only human and have to make a decision in the blink of an eye without the aid of technology or sitting in the stand watching the off the ball stuff. Time that tmo's are introduced as well as requiring the umpires to be referees and the 4th official watching off the ball stuff as his only roll is to watch a clock hold up a board and record subs. What next will you be looking to see as a paying punter? the managers notes/game plan, the player stats in real time. You pay your ticket to se a game or 2 and that's as far as it goes.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - 22/08/2017 18:30:05    2036508

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "why would you want to see a refs report? all these keyboard warrior analysts or just plain know all but know f-all commenting looking to see ref reports or looking this that or the other player banned { including those on tv as well } is getting boring. Yes refs make mistakes, they are only human and have to make a decision in the blink of an eye without the aid of technology or sitting in the stand watching the off the ball stuff. Time that tmo's are introduced as well as requiring the umpires to be referees and the 4th official watching off the ball stuff as his only roll is to watch a clock hold up a board and record subs. What next will you be looking to see as a paying punter? the managers notes/game plan, the player stats in real time. You pay your ticket to se a game or 2 and that's as far as it goes."
why would you want to see a refs report? all these keyboard warrior analysts or just plain know all but know f-all commenting looking to see ref reports or looking this that or the other player banned { including those on tv as well } is getting boring. Yes refs make mistakes, they are only human and have to make a decision in the blink of an eye without the aid of technology or sitting in the stand watching the off the ball stuff. Time that tmo's are introduced as well as requiring the umpires to be referees and the 4th official watching off the ball stuff as his only roll is to watch a clock hold up a board and record subs. What next will you be looking to see as a paying punter? the managers notes/game plan, the player stats in real time. You pay your ticket to se a game or 2 and that's as far as it goes.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts:180 - 22/08/2017 18:30:05 2036508

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Tomsmith here TarricMcGowan ( Gaeilge for bullmccabe
I am afreared that you are not right when you say it would serve no useful purpose. Well can tell you that the Referee should not made fundamental playing rule errors. Mr Mc Cabe if you were training a team for six to seven month and a Referee makes an error that causes you the game would you not feel that at the least he would come and apologise to you after he discovers his error. I know to apologise is a sign of weakness but it can also lead to softness of attitude to the poor Official after he tenders his apology .

tomsmith (Cavan) - 22/08/2017 23:47:55    2036594

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Replying To tomsmith:  "why would you want to see a refs report? all these keyboard warrior analysts or just plain know all but know f-all commenting looking to see ref reports or looking this that or the other player banned { including those on tv as well } is getting boring. Yes refs make mistakes, they are only human and have to make a decision in the blink of an eye without the aid of technology or sitting in the stand watching the off the ball stuff. Time that tmo's are introduced as well as requiring the umpires to be referees and the 4th official watching off the ball stuff as his only roll is to watch a clock hold up a board and record subs. What next will you be looking to see as a paying punter? the managers notes/game plan, the player stats in real time. You pay your ticket to se a game or 2 and that's as far as it goes.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts:180 - 22/08/2017 18:30:05 2036508

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Tomsmith here TarricMcGowan ( Gaeilge for bullmccabe
I am afreared that you are not right when you say it would serve no useful purpose. Well can tell you that the Referee should not made fundamental playing rule errors. Mr Mc Cabe if you were training a team for six to seven month and a Referee makes an error that causes you the game would you not feel that at the least he would come and apologise to you after he discovers his error. I know to apologise is a sign of weakness but it can also lead to softness of attitude to the poor Official after he tenders his apology ."
Apologising is a sign of weakness?? Meet Tom Smith aka Father Peter Perfect the perfect priest!

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - 23/08/2017 08:40:01    2036632

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Torcail of 170 posts from\Australia

Tomsmith here from County Cavan

If you don't mind I will disagree with you that reports should be private and not for customers viewing.
Well I can tell you that everyone other that poor auld Joe Sop cane see the reports. The County Board, the Clubs involved, the players involved, If it is a County game the Counties involved and if it goes to an appeal the Provincial Council members . So who is left in the dark. Poor old Joe Sop"
You are entitled to disagree!!! However, you have failed to identify one valid reason why Joe Soap should have an entitlement to see a refs report. Just because you might be a GAA member? This gives you no right!!! Would be the same to look for details of disciplinary procedures taken against a fellow employee in your job. I should be entitled to see it as I work in the same company!!!!

Torcaill (Australia) - 23/08/2017 09:24:49    2036640

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here

Maybe you would enlighten me as to where members of the GAA can access these reports.
I have a few a would like to see.
I am sure a few supporters away up in Dublin would like to see the Dunlin ones"
Surely you know who your club secretary is, ask them. It's not rocket science.

bricktop (Down) - 23/08/2017 09:44:04    2036647

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