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Replying To MesAmis: "Mes could you not say the same thing about the British flag? I don't see people trying to ban that flag though.
The talk of flags on here lately is gone nuts.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts:5632 - 16/08/2017 01:36:52 2033987
The last Union Flag l saw at a GAA match was burned on the Hill.
The Confederate flag exists to represent a people whose only reason for wanting their own country was so that they could continue to enslave other human beings for profit.
There's a little bit more to the Union flag than that imo but I don't think your point takes away from the general point about the Confederate Flag." Mes the British enslaved our people for 800 years and committed mass genocide during the famines of the mid 1800s .
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KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/08/2017 12:15:21
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Should fly the Jolly Roger at games as a salute to the Pirates in HQ......
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 16/08/2017 12:16:28
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Yesterday i posted a point about the Confederate flag's history in relation to state succession,being used by those opposed to slavery etc.
However i do believe that when a large majority, rightly or wrongly, feel that a flag is a symbol of hate and oppression the moral thing to do is to ban it's use in public. Otherwise you are engaging in bully boy tactics and not accommodating the viewpoint of large numbers of people. That type of behaviour leads to no good.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 16/08/2017 12:17:06
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Replying To MedwayIrish: "Only if flown next to the North Korean flag*, equality of dictators etc!" tongue in cheek reply there I m guessing Medway
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 16/08/2017 12:20:46
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: " Replying To MesAmis: "Mes could you not say the same thing about the British flag? I don't see people trying to ban that flag though.
The talk of flags on here lately is gone nuts.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts:5632 - 16/08/2017 01:36:52 2033987
The last Union Flag l saw at a GAA match was burned on the Hill.
The Confederate flag exists to represent a people whose only reason for wanting their own country was so that they could continue to enslave other human beings for profit.
There's a little bit more to the Union flag than that imo but I don't think your point takes away from the general point about the Confederate Flag." Mes the British enslaved our people for 800 years and committed mass genocide during the famines of the mid 1800s . I"
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 16/08/2017 12:24:43
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: " Replying To MesAmis: "Mes could you not say the same thing about the British flag? I don't see people trying to ban that flag though.
The talk of flags on here lately is gone nuts.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts:5632 - 16/08/2017 01:36:52 2033987
The last Union Flag l saw at a GAA match was burned on the Hill.
The Confederate flag exists to represent a people whose only reason for wanting their own country was so that they could continue to enslave other human beings for profit.
There's a little bit more to the Union flag than that imo but I don't think your point takes away from the general point about the Confederate Flag." Mes the British enslaved our people for 800 years and committed mass genocide during the famines of the mid 1800s . I"
They did not commit mass genocide. However it is true that they were responsible largely for the poverty and agricultural dependence on a single foodstuff for a vastly overcrowded population. In addition their administration of the country during that harrowing time was indicative of their total lack of understanding of Ireland and the inept indifference they always treated this island with.
As for the flag controversy, I'm staying well away from it before some atheist has a pot shot at Kerry's crest for having St Brendan's ship on it ;D
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 16/08/2017 12:28:05
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Replying To moc.dna: "Lol, come on Whammo, I know you are someone who isn't afraid to speak his mind but labelling people in this thread as right wingers & racists is a step too far especially when nobody is condoning what's happening in the States. Unfortunately your missing the points been made & appear to be happy to use Cork supporters use of the Confederate flag which most regard as been naively used as a political cause. When as appears, that the aim of removing this is achieved what will be next ? Don't think that those who operate the PC agenda haven't another target lined up in the Gaa, in fact many of us know that this is building towards a movement against our national flag & anthem next, hence the kite flying by O Fearghail. Funny to watch how the Gaa is disintegrating from within, many of us lifelong members who used it to better our communities & promote inclusion & that was inclusion for all, no matter your colour, creed, sexuality, gender, I never cared who or what you were, it was the Gaa family, now it's labelling the very same people as right wingers & racists & the ideals of the Gaa are been lost as it is now been used as a vehicle to drive certain political agendas." I sincerely apologise for labelling you a right winger.
What I meant by that was that false equivalency and whataboutery are standard tactics of right wing commentary on these sorts of issues. That's what I felt was being trotted out here in defence of the confederate flag.
I don't think the Cork fans flying this are racist or white supremacist in all likelihood. The flag is though.
White supremacy and racism are at this point in time objectively wrong. Having their symbols in the GAA is wrong.
Those other symbols being referred to in this thread whilst they can be offensive they are not outright symbols of hate.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 16/08/2017 12:28:28
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But why are you surprised?
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts:10795 - 16/08/2017 12:13:42 2034137
I was surprised because I didn't expect straw man arguments from you.
The difference between the two scenarios is clear and obvious.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 16/08/2017 12:31:06
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Replying To StirringIt: "ban everything.
Ban flags, anthems, cheering, shouting, cursing, music, belching, drinking, eating, waving, ad's, announcements, sponsorship. We can all sit quietly in a beige stadium and not express ourselves !!!!..... some people get offended by the slightest thing, a word, song, gesture, flag.. you won't please 100% of the people 100% of the time." So just swing the other way and allow anything to pass on that basis then?
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 16/08/2017 12:31:29
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Replying To yew_tree: "tongue in cheek reply there I m guessing Medway" Haha yeah absolutely YT but it's bound to reel someone in! ;)
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 16/08/2017 12:33:23
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Replying To StirringIt: "ban everything.
Ban flags, anthems, cheering, shouting, cursing, music, belching, drinking, eating, waving, ad's, announcements, sponsorship. We can all sit quietly in a beige stadium and not express ourselves !!!!..... some people get offended by the slightest thing, a word, song, gesture, flag.. you won't please 100% of the people 100% of the time." No.
Let's ban white supremacist pro slavery emblems though.
That's hardly an off the wall 'PC gone mad' suggestion now is it?
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 16/08/2017 12:34:43
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Replying To moc.dna: "Lol, come on Whammo, I know you are someone who isn't afraid to speak his mind but labelling people in this thread as right wingers & racists is a step too far especially when nobody is condoning what's happening in the States. Unfortunately your missing the points been made & appear to be happy to use Cork supporters use of the Confederate flag which most regard as been naively used as a political cause. When as appears, that the aim of removing this is achieved what will be next ? Don't think that those who operate the PC agenda haven't another target lined up in the Gaa, in fact many of us know that this is building towards a movement against our national flag & anthem next, hence the kite flying by O Fearghail. Funny to watch how the Gaa is disintegrating from within, many of us lifelong members who used it to better our communities & promote inclusion & that was inclusion for all, no matter your colour, creed, sexuality, gender, I never cared who or what you were, it was the Gaa family, now it's labelling the very same people as right wingers & racists & the ideals of the Gaa are been lost as it is now been used as a vehicle to drive certain political agendas." Inclusion for all you say?
I've had the pleasure of watching at least one young black lad play for his county minor team this year on a couple of occasions and a fine player he is too. How included do you think he would feel to see the confederate flag flying from the stands as he takes to the pitch?
benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 16/08/2017 12:36:20
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There has to be a reason why a Cork fan decides on the morning of the game, "I'm not gonna bring a Cork flag to the match, I'll bring this other one I have for some reason"
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12115 - 16/08/2017 12:46:36
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Replying To Breffni39: "There has to be a reason why a Cork fan decides on the morning of the game, "I'm not gonna bring a Cork flag to the match, I'll bring this other one I have for some reason"" Ridiculous comment. Have you been to a GAA match before? GAA fans have been bringing all sorts of foreign flags to games for years.
RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 16/08/2017 12:51:30
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Looks like we are at loggerheads on this one.
In one camp you have the posters who say the flag should be banned because it represents hate, prejudice, pro-slavery, white supremacy, neo-nazism etc.
The best counter argument on the other side of this debate is that it's PC gone mad and anyone who has a problem with the flag is an overly sensitive snowflake.
I have spotted a trend that Ulster posters think the flag should be banned. Of all the posters on here, they know the most what it feels like to be subjected to bigotry and prejudice.
I think the irony is, it's those who are trivialising this who are the ones that are snowflakes, cocooned away in their own little world away from the real world.
Nobody is judging Cork fans for flying the flag in the past but now when it is so obvious what the flag represents, it has to go and has no place in the GAA.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 16/08/2017 12:58:45
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I used to bring it to games when I was a kid. Had a murphys irish stout flag as well.
Rebel flag should be banned from GAA venues. It is unacceptable now for an organisation trying to be inclusive.
hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 16/08/2017 13:17:30
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The confederate flag is easy on the eye though, would be a shame to see it banned.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 16/08/2017 13:27:19
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Replying To MesAmis: "But why are you surprised?
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts:10795 - 16/08/2017 12:13:42 2034137
I was surprised because I didn't expect straw man arguments from you.
The difference between the two scenarios is clear and obvious." Do you find the flying of the Butchers Apron or people wearing poppies offensive?
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 16/08/2017 13:38:23
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Sure the swastika has the same number of colours relative to the Cork colours, why don't they bring it?
Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 16/08/2017 14:13:18
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Replying To OLLIE: " Replying To MesAmis: "But why are you surprised?
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts:10795 - 16/08/2017 12:13:42 2034137
I was surprised because I didn't expect straw man arguments from you.
The difference between the two scenarios is clear and obvious." Do you find the flying of the Butchers Apron or people wearing poppies offensive?"
For what it is worth I don't think football clubs in England should put poppies on their shirts. In fact their ignorance of what the poppy actually represents reminds me a little of people's ignorance about the Confederate Flag.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 16/08/2017 14:15:51
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