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Hurling pundits v Football Pundits V CCCC

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "So, DC puts his hand on a linesman, barely.
The football panelists go after him like a criminal. He is hung out to dry by RTE, Newstalk, Irish Independent.
Everyone accepts what he did was silly and not in anway dangerous, but hey, a rule is a rule, so he gets a massive suspension.

Austin Gleeson deliberately pulls the helmet off the head of an opponent. The hurling pundits raise the issue, but to a man they say "we dont want him to miss the match but.."
So basically, they defend the player. They accept what he did was wrong but they dont to after him. None of this "a rule is a rule" simplistic BS that the football lads go on with,

In a nutshell, the hurling pundits have the best interest of the game and the players at heart, the football lads only want to make noise.

I hope Gleeson gets off. But the double standards are glaring."
It really is shameful the treatment and vilification of DC and contrast that with the hero worshipping and bending of the rules to facilitate someone else. Very hard pill to take one rule for some and a different set of rules for another. The very same criteria for Gleeson getting off could have been applied to DC. Joke rules, joke CCCC, joke referee's and joke pundits.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 15/08/2017 21:25:11    2033896

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "You'll have to get the hurling pundits to do the football too so. As Donal Og says the football pundits just talk down their game and focus on the negatives."
Exactly Killarney. Donal Og spoke really well and was absolutely correct in what he said .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 15/08/2017 21:26:13    2033897

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Replying To moc.dna:  "The CCCC ruling that Austin Gleeson is free to play in the final is great for Austin, Waterford & hurling fans but has made a mockery & laughing stock out of the whole Gaa disciplinary system & the CCCC itself. Tadhag De Burca & other lads banned have been very hard done by if this is the case. It was never more clear cut, even when you enlarge the photo, you clearly see the fingers slide in, then grip the helmet & pull it off. You see Meades ear actually crunched up & caught in the plastic strap, it takes some force to pull off a strapped on helmet, Tadhag De Burca put his hand out to go by & caught a strap & gets banned & this case is dismissed, it's laughable. Zero credibility in the CCCC, I would love to see all the names on it published as they are an embarrassment, I know of three of them. At this stage it will be a complete & utter pantomime & injustice if they go on to ban Ciaran Gleeson, now that the rules are thrown out the window don't deny the lad his shot of playing in an All Ireland final & rescind the red card. Nothing to lose now as there is zero credibility anyways. If the rules were implemented, Cork would have been playing against 14 men from early on in the semi final & it might have changed the course of the game. Also Adrian Tuohy would have missed out & Galway would have had a great chance in the final if both Gleesons were banned. I feel sorry for all the players as once again it's the make it up as we go along rules & inconsistency & failure to implement them by the Gaa governance that has led to this situation."
No it isn't . James Owens said he was happy with how he refereed the game . Case closed . It goes no further . The disciplinary process in relation to Austin Gleeson and his transgression stops with James Owen's decision and declaration . The CCC can't act . They can however act in relation to Conor Gleeson . His red card is clearcut and should stand .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 15/08/2017 21:45:16    2033907

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Replying To Greengrass:  "No it isn't . James Owens said he was happy with how he refereed the game . Case closed . It goes no further . The disciplinary process in relation to Austin Gleeson and his transgression stops with James Owen's decision and declaration . The CCC can't act . They can however act in relation to Conor Gleeson . His red card is clearcut and should stand ."
But the Referee in the Dublin game took no action at the time of the incident with DC so how come the change came about? Was he told what to write in his report? Was he listening to the radio and news? Was he happy with the way he ref'ed that game? because Dublin sure as hell were not. Same story different outcome. The referee is admitting here he didn't see the incident because if he did it was a straight red and he shouldn't be refereeing, but I guess a ref admitting he got h=it so wrong is the real story. I am delighted for Austin Gleeson, unfortunately it is another example of the GAA playing the gallery. You simply cannot operate like this, its a joke.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 15/08/2017 23:06:43    2033947

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Replying To Molaise:  "Have to agree. Both the referee and linesman saw the Connolly incident on the day and didn't feel it worthy of a sending off. Yet the CCC decide to suspend him. The referee says he saw the Gleson incident so CCC say it dealt with on the day.
The system a joke! Hope Connolly plays on Sunday Week against my neighbours and wins MOTM!!!!!!"
The CCC could only act in relation to Connolly because of the fact the referee decided to refer to the incident in his report. This is despite the fact that the linesman did not deem the incident to be sufficiently serious to bring to the attention of the referee during the game. It begs the question what happened between the end of the game and the writing of the referees report. James Owens decision to declare himself satisfied with how he refereed the game is also highly questionable . The incident concerning Austin Gleason is at the very least worthy of investigation.
Liam is right when he says that hurlers and footballers are subjected to different standards of scrutiny. The hurling analysts are consistently positive about their game. The football analysts most particularly O Rourke, Brolly and Spillane are relentlessly and unjustifiably negative. There are also different standards applied to hurlers and footballers when it comes to foul play and matters of discipline. Hurling analysts always play down foul play and call for leniency. Football analysts generally do the opposite . Footballers are subjected to a much more severe disciplinary regime than hurlers.
People on this thread have referred to Diarmuid Connolly. He has an All Ireland semi final and more than likely a final to look forward to.
Ryan Burns of Louth also got twelve weeks . He pulled on a ball. The ball hit an umpire. The umpire informed the ref and Ryan was sent off . He has missed his clubs entire championship and league campaign since then. They are out of the championship and have two or three games left in the league. He still has 4 weeks to do which means he is pretty much finished for the season.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 15/08/2017 23:15:12    2033954

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Replying To arock:  "But the Referee in the Dublin game took no action at the time of the incident with DC so how come the change came about? Was he told what to write in his report? Was he listening to the radio and news? Was he happy with the way he ref'ed that game? because Dublin sure as hell were not. Same story different outcome. The referee is admitting here he didn't see the incident because if he did it was a straight red and he shouldn't be refereeing, but I guess a ref admitting he got h=it so wrong is the real story. I am delighted for Austin Gleeson, unfortunately it is another example of the GAA playing the gallery. You simply cannot operate like this, its a joke."
I agree wholeheartedly arock.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 15/08/2017 23:27:01    2033957

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Its time we completely separate the disciplinary bodies for the two games. They are not the same game, they are not policed the same, so maybe its time we accept that and have separate disciplinary bodies and rules governing the two games and be done with all this nonsense.

(ps - The Connolly incident WASNT in the original refs report, it was inserted later as Brolly found out, as only he can. that was the whole crux of his defence of DC)

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 16/08/2017 10:02:13    2034029

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I love the CCCC, it is the one constant that pundits can complain about, and then the general public follow like sheep.

I doubt few if any really know the full process and how it works.

If we did it would kill 50% of all articles, threads, radio spots etc over the summer.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 16/08/2017 10:41:28    2034062

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Its time we completely separate the disciplinary bodies for the two games. They are not the same game, they are not policed the same, so maybe its time we accept that and have separate disciplinary bodies and rules governing the two games and be done with all this nonsense.

(ps - The Connolly incident WASNT in the original refs report, it was inserted later as Brolly found out, as only he can. that was the whole crux of his defence of DC)"
Which makes his treatment even worse.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 16/08/2017 10:53:43    2034068

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It's not in the GAA's interest to lose one of their big names for a final. Media, sponsor's interest, possibly advertising revenue could be affected.

I think it was in the GAA's interest early in the season for cracking down on a very minor disciplinary infringement by one of their biggest name. Sent out the message that they would be tough on discipline. If one of their big names did something similar in the football semis I think they'd be more lenient to try and allow him play in the final. Which would be very hypocritical and wrong.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 16/08/2017 18:41:19    2034395

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "It's not in the GAA's interest to lose one of their big names for a final. Media, sponsor's interest, possibly advertising revenue could be affected.

I think it was in the GAA's interest early in the season for cracking down on a very minor disciplinary infringement by one of their biggest name. Sent out the message that they would be tough on discipline. If one of their big names did something similar in the football semis I think they'd be more lenient to try and allow him play in the final. Which would be very hypocritical and wrong."
It has nothing to do with sending out a message. Footballers are subjected to a much stricter disciplinary regime than hurlers. You have now had the Cody, Bennett, Horgan (in the Munster Final), Tuohy and Gleeson incidents. None of them were suspended. The only one who has been suspended is De Burca. Meanwhile Diarmuid Connolly, Evan Comerford and Ryan Burns have served or are serving twelve week suspensions.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 16/08/2017 19:08:18    2034402

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