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Austin Gleeson, one of the greatest but what was he at?

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to me,i am going to sound like eamon dunphy when i say "a good player,not a great player".he has a lot of growing up to do,both in terms of discipline and use of the ball. i was an ok club player myself,if i do say so.i played midfield and in training i could put 1-2 long range shots over the bar.it does matter though if another 5-6 drop wide. his goal,while epic,would have drove me beserk if he had missed it if i was a waterford supporter given there was a better positioned player,big games small margins and all that,but he could have cost his county dearly if he hadnt scored it. and unfortunately,for austin,the helmet incident cant even be defended by the "hes not that sort of player" rhetoric. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 15/08/2017 09:27:31 2033506 Link
The guy has all the skill in the world but he also has a lot to learn . Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 15/08/2017 09:36:16 2033510 Link
Replying To Canuck: "As a Waterford supporter I would say Austin is good player with exception skills. A great player is someone who always does things in the best interest of their team. The likes of Barron, Brick, Moran, DeBurca, Fives and others would be ahead of him on that call." Very good and honest post. Good luck in the final Canuck. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 15/08/2017 09:47:35 2033513 Link
I've seen lots of people on here and various social media platforms saying they hope the Gleeson incident is not mentioned in the referees report. This is totally wrong. The sole reason Adrian Touhy was not banned was because the incident WAS included in the referees report. Barry Kelly stated he saw the incident and did not deem in necessary to take any action. He clearly thought Touhy's actions were not intentional. Because Kelly stated this the higher powers (CCC? Not sure who I'm talking about here.) had no basis to ban Touhy even if they wanted to. So people should be hoping that James Owens does likewise for Gleeson. If he states he did not see the incident the the higher powers have every right and are even obliged to investigate further. Also, Conor Gleeson has absolutely no chance of getting off, unfortunately. However harmless it was a clear striking offence. Hurling1Guru1 (Galway) - Posts: 244 - 15/08/2017 10:56:20 2033534 Link
Replying To Hurling1Guru1: "I've seen lots of people on here and various social media platforms saying they hope the Gleeson incident is not mentioned in the referees report. This is totally wrong. The sole reason Adrian Touhy was not banned was because the incident WAS included in the referees report. Barry Kelly stated he saw the incident and did not deem in necessary to take any action. He clearly thought Touhy's actions were not intentional. Because Kelly stated this the higher powers (CCC? Not sure who I'm talking about here.) had no basis to ban Touhy even if they wanted to. So people should be hoping that James Owens does likewise for Gleeson. If he states he did not see the incident the the higher powers have every right and are even obliged to investigate further. Also, Conor Gleeson has absolutely no chance of getting off, unfortunately. However harmless it was a clear striking offence." The word is out that Owens is "happy" with how he reffed the game and that AG will be cleared to play in the final. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 15/08/2017 11:10:26 2033539 Link
Replying To Condorman: "The word is out that Owens is "happy" with how he reffed the game and that AG will be cleared to play in the final." So I read. The crucial detail is if James Owens states in his report that he saw the incident and choose not to sanction him. I find it impossible to believe he saw the incident in real time and choose not to sanction him. The whole saga hinges on this detail. I'll be accused of Galway bias here, but I would consider it an absolute farce if James Owens saw the incident in real time and didn't and choose not to sanction him. He clearly 100% intentionally interfered with an opponents helmet. Adrian Touhy was not as blatant as he was looking the other way. This is why Barry Kelly deemed it unintentional. Basically what I;m saying is that it all hinges on Owens' report: Stephen Bennett on Damien Cahalane - Barry Kelly did not see the incident, incident NOT in referees report - 1 match ban. Adrian Touhy on Bonner Maher - Barry Kelly did see it, deemed it unintentional and included it in report - no ban. Tadhg De Burca on Harry Kehoe - completely different process for this incident. Linesman saw it and a straight red given which means an automatic 1 match ban. It was De Burca/Waterfords job to prove the linesman wrong, proved an impossible task given video footage available. Conor Glesson incident is identical to Tadhg De Burca in terms of the process to get him off. He gets a one match man and its their job to prove the ref/linesman wrong. Given he clearly struck Horgan, however minimal the force, it is impossible to prove the referee was wrong to send him off. Hurling1Guru1 (Galway) - Posts: 244 - 15/08/2017 11:32:34 2033551 Link
It's looking likely that Austin Gleeson is going to get off and be free to play the final. For me I'm relieved he's getting off because we all want to see the best player's playing on the big day. I hope it's sorted quickly and out of the way so we can all look forward to the final without a shadow hanging over it. Supermacs88 (Galway) - Posts: 248 - 15/08/2017 12:12:34 2033570 Link
Looking good for Austin Gleeson for the final. Proper order too - if he was to miss out on final for that 'nothing' incident it would have been a crying shame. we all want to see the top players playing on the biggest day and Austin certainly is a top player imonmyway (Mayo) - Posts: 113 - 15/08/2017 12:26:41 2033576 Link
Replying To imonmyway: "Looking good for Austin Gleeson for the final. Proper order too - if he was to miss out on final for that 'nothing' incident it would have been a crying shame. we all want to see the top players playing on the biggest day and Austin certainly is a top player" I agree we all want to see him play. But whats the point on having a rule book if we're going to throw it out the window just because it's a class player and a final. Hurling1Guru1 (Galway) - Posts: 244 - 15/08/2017 13:33:29 2033607 Link
Great if he plays. Rulebooks are fine and need to be respected until they aren't fine and then they need to be ignored or rewritten. This is one of those times. Every rule book gets thrown out the window at some point. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 15/08/2017 14:07:35 2033628 Link
Replying To HurlingSnob: "He was muck before the sending off. Hit four wides from his usual hail mary pot shots. Christopher Joyce losing possession for the second goal was the losing of the game. Both Gleesons have to be banned for the final or else the whole game is in disrepute." Have you spotted how often your ignored or is that the point ?? Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/08/2017 14:11:19 2033631 Link
Glad hes playing who wants to sit and watch the all Ireland without its best players , god we are Ban crazy Anyway onto the question at hand , good player capable of great feats of that there is no doubt but god hes had some mares , the greats have a personal standard that they rarely dip below , they are also great in that they inspire those around them Gleeson does not do that , Gleeson has a long way to go to be mentioned in the company of the top 10 best players of the last 10 years let alone all time. Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/08/2017 14:16:05 2033634 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "Glad hes playing who wants to sit and watch the all Ireland without its best players , god we are Ban crazy Anyway onto the question at hand , good player capable of great feats of that there is no doubt but god hes had some mares , the greats have a personal standard that they rarely dip below , they are also great in that they inspire those around them Gleeson does not do that , Gleeson has a long way to go to be mentioned in the company of the top 10 best players of the last 10 years let alone all time." Where are ye getting yer information on Austin is he free to play in all ireland. bud14 (Galway) - Posts: 296 - 15/08/2017 14:55:48 2033654 Link
Replying To bud14: "Where are ye getting yer information on Austin is he free to play in all ireland." No. As I keep saying it all hinges on the referees report. Anyone know when that comes out? over the next day or two I would imagine. Hurling1Guru1 (Galway) - Posts: 244 - 15/08/2017 16:34:42 2033719 Link
Gleeson has wonderful ability but often doesn't make the most of it for the benefit of the team. Why on earth would you grab a fellas helmet when there has been so much of it highlighted recently. Daft thing to do. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 15/08/2017 16:50:29 2033726 Link
Replying To bud14: "Where are ye getting yer information on Austin is he free to play in all ireland." http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/austin-gleeson-to-get-green-light-for-final-as-ref-makes-no-issue-over-helmet-tug-457074.html Not 100 % but that lad is fairly on the ball Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/08/2017 17:51:22 2033766 Link
Gleeson free to play. CCCC taking no action. Confirmed this evening. Hurling1Guru1 (Galway) - Posts: 244 - 15/08/2017 18:15:50 2033776 Link
Replying To bud14: "Where are ye getting yer information on Austin is he free to play in all ireland." Gleeson cleared to play in final. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 15/08/2017 18:16:47 2033778 Link
James Owens bottled it......can be no other explanation for this. wexford1997 (Wexford) - Posts: 88 - 15/08/2017 19:30:52 2033820 Link
Replying To Hurling1Guru1: "I've seen lots of people on here and various social media platforms saying they hope the Gleeson incident is not mentioned in the referees report. This is totally wrong. The sole reason Adrian Touhy was not banned was because the incident WAS included in the referees report. Barry Kelly stated he saw the incident and did not deem in necessary to take any action. He clearly thought Touhy's actions were not intentional. Because Kelly stated this the higher powers (CCC? Not sure who I'm talking about here.) had no basis to ban Touhy even if they wanted to. So people should be hoping that James Owens does likewise for Gleeson. If he states he did not see the incident the the higher powers have every right and are even obliged to investigate further. Also, Conor Gleeson has absolutely no chance of getting off, unfortunately. However harmless it was a clear striking offence." You are correct and as of tonight proved correct. All the debate about if Tuohy or A. Gleeson was different is a mute point. As a Waterford supporter I feel more sorry for Conor and Tuohy 9if suspended)than I would have for Austin. Conor just had a hurley driven into him by a player who knew the game was up and retaliated by swing one handed on the legs. In all honesty hoe does that measure up with the belt in the testicles to Moran or the kick given to Barron ? Conor will not be cleared but there was two aggressors in this instance with him retaliating. How would all the hurlers on the ditch react ? Kudoos for not head hunting like some of your county men on here. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 15/08/2017 22:26:58 2033931 Link