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I think for what it's worth, that Galway will be champions next Sunday evening. I'm sorry forWaterford who have some great players, but It looks like Liam will cross the Shannon.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 28/08/2017 18:35:56    2039528

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "
Replying To KK1926:  "[quote=grellans89:  "[quote=KK1926:  "[quote=Bosco98:  ""As recently as 1996" ??? Obviously time flows differently in your dimension

You also say that "Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo" - this is true NOW, but wasn't widely accepted anywhere before the semi-final (all the talk was of the big 3 - Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone). So NO, I'm not saying that Galway are superior to Waterford - if they win, they will be superior, if Waterford win, they'll be superior, End Of

Bottom line - Previous championship meetings mean very little, each game has its own dynamic - this is particularly true when it's a new group of players (Only Joe Canning remaining from 2011 meeting, I'm sure with your superior knowledge you can tell us how many Waterford players are left (Brick Walsh, Kevin Moran, ??))"
Bosco to start off with we have Darragh Fives, Noel Connors, Pauric Mahony (debut season), Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran playing in 2011.

Galway had Aidan Harte, Joe Canning, David Collins, Daithi Burke at least playing, a 5th i can't remember. So your knowledge is a little lacking!

And yes 1996 is relatively recently. Put it this way. Keith Higgins and Andy Moran played with men from 2004-2006 who had beaten Kerry. Ciaran McDonald, David Brady, James Nallen to name just three. So it's not something in the distant past that no one has any recollection of.. Waterford cause Galway endless problems, were beating ye in the league til the eased up."
Eh think your knowledge is lacking,
David Collins is not involved anymore and Daithi Burke didn't play with Galway until 2014 so like your earlier statements totally inaccurate and based on assumptions more than anything."]No there based on this the match day record from July 2011.

Sunday 24 July
All-Ireland SHC quarter-final
At Croke Park
Waterford 2-23
Galway 2-13
Waterford: C Hennessy; D Fives, L Lawlor, N Connors; T Browne, M Walsh, K Moran (0-3); D O'Sullivan, S Molumphy (0-3); E Kelly (0-1), S O'Sullivan (0-1), P Mahony (0-7); J Mullane (0-3), S Walsh (1-4), S Prendergast (0-1). Subs: S Casey for Prendergast, R Foley for Kelly, D Prendergast for Browne, T Ryan (1-0) for Mullane.
Galway: J Skehill; F Moore, S Kavanagh, D Collins; D Barry, T Og Regan (0-1), A Cullinane; A Smith (0-1), D Burke; J Gantley, G Farragher (0-2); I Tannian (0-1), D Hayes, J Canning (1-6), J Regan (0-1). Subs: C Donnellan for Gantley, K Hynes for Barry, J Lee for Cullinane, B Daly (0-1) for Smith, A Harte (1-0) for Burke."]Have you double vision there, kk1926? There's only one D.Burke in that lineup. We have a DAVID and a DAITHI, complicated I know!! Daithi was a 2014 addition at senior level afaik, 2013 at the earliest, and definitely not on the 2012 panel, let alone the 2011 panel under previous management."]59 gal 3 wat0 lucky to get nil . gal league,Leinster , deise losers !

champs2012 (Carlow) - Posts: 40 - 28/08/2017 18:37:42    2039533

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Replying To KK1926:  "Rubbish post.

The referee will deal with what's infront of him Sunday.

No advantage there. Of bigger concern to you should be the fact that in 10 attempts you've never beaten Waterford in championship.

Advantage the Deise."
Galway and Waterford have never met in an All Ireland, so there is no history there. A lot of the Deise's wins in recent years were on their favourite pitch, Thurles. Croke Park in front of 80k is a different prospect for both teams. There will be many variables and anyone who thinks they can predict the outcome with confidence is a spoofer.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1795 - 28/08/2017 18:45:18    2039540

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In 1987 and '88 Galway supporters were told by KK and by Tipp supporters that Galway would never defeat either of them in an All Ireland final now they are telling us we can't beat a team that we never met in an All Ireland final! Lovely hurling!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1795 - 28/08/2017 19:02:53    2039546

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Replying To Condorman:  "No evidence of it? Well it must be very convenient for you to ignore facts that don't suit your agenda.For example Galway beat Tipp the All Ireland champs in the All Semi recently when you must have been asleep or out of the country.Tipp a team who routinely dismantle Waterford ,and that was the 2nd time Galway beat them in a bid game this year.Seems like evidence to me."
Waterford beat Kilkenny for the first time in 50 years or so. A team who drew with Tipp in the league and who they beat in the 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 championships. You can look at facts in a lot of ways.

Tipp have been flakey, failing to put back to back all-Irelands since the 60s. Cork beat Tipp by 4 points and Waterford beat Cork by 11 points.

Now you see how easy it is to be selective with 'facts'.

KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 28/08/2017 19:13:47    2039553

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Replying To Condorman:  "No evidence of it? Well it must be very convenient for you to ignore facts that don't suit your agenda.For example Galway beat Tipp the All Ireland champs in the All Semi recently when you must have been asleep or out of the country.Tipp a team who routinely dismantle Waterford ,and that was the 2nd time Galway beat them in a bid game this year.Seems like evidence to me."
Janey your a highty tighty oul yoke! Agenda! I have an opinion, not an agenda. My opinion is the 10 nil to Waterford has some relevance.

For what it's worth i want Galway to win because of style of hurling, one of my childhood heroes was the late Tony Keady and so on.

KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 28/08/2017 19:19:46    2039557

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Replying To baire:  "In 1987 and '88 Galway supporters were told by KK and by Tipp supporters that Galway would never defeat either of them in an All Ireland final now they are telling us we can't beat a team that we never met in an All Ireland final! Lovely hurling!"
That's very true Baire. I don't see the 10 Waterford victories being a factor. Galway are a much more steady team since 2015.

Still as an earlier poster mentioned no one could call this with any degree of confidence.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 28/08/2017 23:15:37    2039724

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Replying To KK1926:  "Janey your a highty tighty oul yoke! Agenda! I have an opinion, not an agenda. My opinion is the 10 nil to Waterford has some relevance.

For what it's worth i want Galway to win because of style of hurling, one of my childhood heroes was the late Tony Keady and so on."
What relevance has it ?
All these runs come to an end sometime.
Up to 1975 Galway had never beaten Cork in championship, they beat them in 75.
Up to 2010 they hadn't beaten Wexford, they beat them in 2010 & again this year.
If you are good enough you will win regardless of what happened 10, 30, 50 years ago.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 29/08/2017 01:54:31    2039766

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Replying To KK1926:  "Waterford beat Kilkenny for the first time in 50 years or so. A team who drew with Tipp in the league and who they beat in the 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 championships. You can look at facts in a lot of ways.

Tipp have been flakey, failing to put back to back all-Irelands since the 60s. Cork beat Tipp by 4 points and Waterford beat Cork by 11 points.

Now you see how easy it is to be selective with 'facts'."
So the Kilkenny team of 2017 is just as good as the Kilkenny team in the 2011 to 2014 period? Hmm..now that's a very interesting "fact"!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 29/08/2017 06:52:36    2039791

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Replying To KK1926:  "Waterford beat Kilkenny for the first time in 50 years or so. A team who drew with Tipp in the league and who they beat in the 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 championships. You can look at facts in a lot of ways.

Tipp have been flakey, failing to put back to back all-Irelands since the 60s. Cork beat Tipp by 4 points and Waterford beat Cork by 11 points.

Now you see how easy it is to be selective with 'facts'."
And Cork were 2 points up on Waterford with 12 minutes left.
The Tipp / Cork game was like a challenge match compared to the Tipp/Galway game.
I could go on.
What the hell is hightey tighty?

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 29/08/2017 09:35:26    2039848

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Replying To Laois76:  "That's very true Baire. I don't see the 10 Waterford victories being a factor. Galway are a much more steady team since 2015.

Still as an earlier poster mentioned no one could call this with any degree of confidence."
And that earlier poster, btw, was báire!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1795 - 29/08/2017 09:53:14    2039861

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Replying To baire:  "Galway and Waterford have never met in an All Ireland, so there is no history there. A lot of the Deise's wins in recent years were on their favourite pitch, Thurles. Croke Park in front of 80k is a different prospect for both teams. There will be many variables and anyone who thinks they can predict the outcome with confidence is a spoofer."
Tipp and Cork have never met in an all Ireland either and there's no history there either...oh wait...

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 29/08/2017 12:23:37    2040003

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There seems to be a lot of nervousness this week around Galway if this thread is anything to go on :D

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 29/08/2017 12:24:44    2040004

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Personally I hope Galway win as I would hate to see a Team playing a sweeper winning an All-Ireland. I would probably get lambasted for saying it but that is my opinion. After the semi-final I never agreed with the press jumping on the Sweeper bandwagon. Waterford beat Cork that day as things ran smoother for them than they did for Cork on the day and Cork showed their in-experience. The Sweeper didn't win it for them as with only 13 minutes remaining Cork were up 2 points despite half their team having an off day.The sending off (and the non-sending off) had a massive bearing on how the game finished. I feel Galway at the moment have a more balanced, mature all-round team than Cork did so believe they will finish the job on Sunday.

I would love to see a Team in a big game soon pushing up and marking the sweeper. Think it would really throw a spanner in the works of Waterfords' (or others who use it) game plan. To do so you would need extremely hard working and mobile backs and midfielders that are capable of man-marking.

Cornerback1977 (Cork) - Posts: 67 - 29/08/2017 19:48:48    2040342

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Replying To Cornerback1977:  "Personally I hope Galway win as I would hate to see a Team playing a sweeper winning an All-Ireland. I would probably get lambasted for saying it but that is my opinion. After the semi-final I never agreed with the press jumping on the Sweeper bandwagon. Waterford beat Cork that day as things ran smoother for them than they did for Cork on the day and Cork showed their in-experience. The Sweeper didn't win it for them as with only 13 minutes remaining Cork were up 2 points despite half their team having an off day.The sending off (and the non-sending off) had a massive bearing on how the game finished. I feel Galway at the moment have a more balanced, mature all-round team than Cork did so believe they will finish the job on Sunday.

I would love to see a Team in a big game soon pushing up and marking the sweeper. Think it would really throw a spanner in the works of Waterfords' (or others who use it) game plan. To do so you would need extremely hard working and mobile backs and midfielders that are capable of man-marking."
Excellent analysis

grellans89 (Galway) - Posts: 257 - 29/08/2017 22:00:24    2040417

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Replying To Cornerback1977:  "Personally I hope Galway win as I would hate to see a Team playing a sweeper winning an All-Ireland. I would probably get lambasted for saying it but that is my opinion. After the semi-final I never agreed with the press jumping on the Sweeper bandwagon. Waterford beat Cork that day as things ran smoother for them than they did for Cork on the day and Cork showed their in-experience. The Sweeper didn't win it for them as with only 13 minutes remaining Cork were up 2 points despite half their team having an off day.The sending off (and the non-sending off) had a massive bearing on how the game finished. I feel Galway at the moment have a more balanced, mature all-round team than Cork did so believe they will finish the job on Sunday.

I would love to see a Team in a big game soon pushing up and marking the sweeper. Think it would really throw a spanner in the works of Waterfords' (or others who use it) game plan. To do so you would need extremely hard working and mobile backs and midfielders that are capable of man-marking."
Very good post. Tipp did that with Tadgh De Burca, pushed up on him, in the 2016 Munster final. Hammer the hammer!

Just to add to your post Cork's inability to win high ball around their half forwards came back to haunt them too.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 29/08/2017 22:14:30    2040436

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Replying To Laois76:  "Very good post. Tipp did that with Tadgh De Burca, pushed up on him, in the 2016 Munster final. Hammer the hammer!

Just to add to your post Cork's inability to win high ball around their half forwards came back to haunt them too."
Fair point about the half forwards also. I felt on the day that the game was tit for tat mostly but Cork didn't show up in the way they did against both Tipp & Waterford in Thurles. Only a handful of them turned up on the day. Waterford got all the breaks and Cork also showed their inexperience. I don't think Cork had the ability to shove up on the sweeper as the backs would have been too open in Croke Park but Galway do have the tight marking backs to sacrifice & push an extra man up on the sweeper. Might be too much of a risk to do it in an All-Ireland final though.

Either way I think if Cork showed up with even 2 more players playing to form in the semi-final and played 70 mins with 15 men they would have had enough to get around Waterford regardless of the sweeper system. Galway are stronger at the moment than Cork were in the semi final and for that reason I think they will be champions on Sunday evening. If they play to form I would even say that they will have something to spare.

Cornerback1977 (Cork) - Posts: 67 - 30/08/2017 02:43:30    2040539

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Replying To Cornerback1977:  "Fair point about the half forwards also. I felt on the day that the game was tit for tat mostly but Cork didn't show up in the way they did against both Tipp & Waterford in Thurles. Only a handful of them turned up on the day. Waterford got all the breaks and Cork also showed their inexperience. I don't think Cork had the ability to shove up on the sweeper as the backs would have been too open in Croke Park but Galway do have the tight marking backs to sacrifice & push an extra man up on the sweeper. Might be too much of a risk to do it in an All-Ireland final though.

Either way I think if Cork showed up with even 2 more players playing to form in the semi-final and played 70 mins with 15 men they would have had enough to get around Waterford regardless of the sweeper system. Galway are stronger at the moment than Cork were in the semi final and for that reason I think they will be champions on Sunday evening. If they play to form I would even say that they will have something to spare."
Some lazy assumptions there. A lot of those Cork players weren't allowed to show up through pressure on them or pressure on the man delivering the ball. The space just wasn't there like it had been in the Munster championship.

But I'd have Galway as favourites - they put the squeeze on Tipp in around midfield by bringing one of their forwards out on occasions. I'd see them doing the same on Sunday. They'll see themselves as being capable of forcing their game on Waterford and rightfully so. Waterford were wiped out in the second half of the league quarter final and I'd be worried that might happen again. Waterford need to be brave enough to work the ball closer to goal before taking shots - they took some woeful potshots in the semi.

hooknblock (Waterford) - Posts: 5 - 30/08/2017 14:18:51    2040747

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Replying To Cornerback1977:  "Personally I hope Galway win as I would hate to see a Team playing a sweeper winning an All-Ireland. I would probably get lambasted for saying it but that is my opinion. After the semi-final I never agreed with the press jumping on the Sweeper bandwagon. Waterford beat Cork that day as things ran smoother for them than they did for Cork on the day and Cork showed their in-experience. The Sweeper didn't win it for them as with only 13 minutes remaining Cork were up 2 points despite half their team having an off day.The sending off (and the non-sending off) had a massive bearing on how the game finished. I feel Galway at the moment have a more balanced, mature all-round team than Cork did so believe they will finish the job on Sunday.

I would love to see a Team in a big game soon pushing up and marking the sweeper. Think it would really throw a spanner in the works of Waterfords' (or others who use it) game plan. To do so you would need extremely hard working and mobile backs and midfielders that are capable of man-marking."
I would love to see it too just to see what would happen.The team that pushes up and marks the sweeper would be leaving a lot of space in their own half, they could be exposed badly but then again they may not.If you had 5 good tight backs it may well work like a dream.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 30/08/2017 15:10:46    2040778

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The good auld sweeper system - some look at it like the plague!

Do you think hurling would be in a better place if teams did not try to explore the opportunity to be at their most competitive?

Do people take it for granted that if your a hurling team you should play to a desired style!

I hope both teams play to their potential on Sunday. Waterford in comparison to most other top teams have a lesser panel of players so I admire their desire to be the best they can be and the fact that they are in the Final.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 30/08/2017 17:06:30    2040826

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