|
Now that all the nonsense is out of the way it great to see posters here talk about the game and the different nuances that might occur. When it is over please do not have this noise about sweepers etc. especially about a team that has scored freely. If Galway win it will be because they are the best team and if Waterford win the same. The excitement is over the moon.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 26/08/2017 17:43:36
2038104
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Canuck: "Now that all the nonsense is out of the way it great to see posters here talk about the game and the different nuances that might occur. When it is over please do not have this noise about sweepers etc. especially about a team that has scored freely. If Galway win it will be because they are the best team and if Waterford win the same. The excitement is over the moon." Totally disagree. Waterford adopted an orthodox 15 against Cork in Munster and got roundly beaten. Then they reverted back to their tried and trusted defensive system in the AI semi against the same opposition and won comfortably in the end. In the unlikely event Derek McGrath decides to set up his team man on man in the final, Waterford will lose and probably badly. If he sticks to the system his team have every chance of winning an elusive all Ireland. As much as I'm not a fan of the system, it would be utter insanity to drop it now.
enver (Limerick) - Posts: 128 - 26/08/2017 20:14:26
2038219
Link
0
|
|
Does Waterford decide if it is a 15x15 or a 7 man D? This is the part that I am confused about after watching the SG.
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 28/08/2017 13:22:37
2039297
Link
0
|
|
Replying To moc.dna: "Will Gleeson be targeted by the Gaa & the ref over the whole debacle over the last week, he will have to be careful as I think he will be well watched by the officials. The Waterford people can't have been pleased by this ref been appointed after the U21 game & the De Burca sending off, advantage Galway." Rubbish post.
The referee will deal with what's infront of him Sunday.
No advantage there. Of bigger concern to you should be the fact that in 10 attempts you've never beaten Waterford in championship.
Advantage the Deise.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 28/08/2017 13:32:41
2039310
Link
2
|
|
Replying To KK1926: "Rubbish post.
The referee will deal with what's infront of him Sunday.
No advantage there. Of bigger concern to you should be the fact that in 10 attempts you've never beaten Waterford in championship.
Advantage the Deise." Equally rubbish post.
The 10 previous games have no bearing on next Sunday.
The team that play best on the day will win.
Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 28/08/2017 13:37:00
2039315
Link
3
|
|
Replying To Condorman: "Equally rubbish post.
The 10 previous games have no bearing on next Sunday.
The team that play best on the day will win." A reply with little idea of how psychology works. Waterford have no fear of playing Galway. They'd fear Tipp or KK in a final.
As a result Waterford will play better and without fear in the final.
Anyone who is a student of any sport understands these basics.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 28/08/2017 13:44:37
2039323
Link
3
|
|
Replying To KK1926: "A reply with little idea of how psychology works. Waterford have no fear of playing Galway. They'd fear Tipp or KK in a final.
As a result Waterford will play better and without fear in the final.
Anyone who is a student of any sport understands these basics." Kerry had no fear of Mayo, given previous results - worked out well for them, didn't it?
Spare us the amateur psychology please
Bosco98 (Galway) - Posts: 127 - 28/08/2017 13:56:40
2039333
Link
4
|
|
Replying To Bosco98: "Kerry had no fear of Mayo, given previous results - worked out well for them, didn't it?
Spare us the amateur psychology please" Bosco. Mayo beat Kerry as recently as 1996. Jimmy Nallen scoring a great goal.
The Galway/ Waterford dynamic is different. Ye never beat them in championship. So don't get too over heated and spare us the lack of knowledge.. Please.
Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo. Are you trying to say Galway hurlers are equally superior to Waterford. No evidence of that.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 28/08/2017 14:08:07
2039348
Link
2
|
|
Replying To KK1926: "Bosco. Mayo beat Kerry as recently as 1996. Jimmy Nallen scoring a great goal.
The Galway/ Waterford dynamic is different. Ye never beat them in championship. So don't get too over heated and spare us the lack of knowledge.. Please.
Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo. Are you trying to say Galway hurlers are equally superior to Waterford. No evidence of that." Do u really think Waterford are a team Galway fear?? Bar 1 game a few years ago, 1 in the early 00's I can't even remember any other. They are certainly not a team that Galway will have any physiological block about. If we were playing KK I would say yes, because we all expect KK to score goals out of nothing, never beaten etc.
The opposite also applies. Waterford will have no hang ups about Galway.......nor should they.
If Galway have any physiological issue on Sunday it will be about the occasion rather than the opposition. And that is not to disrespect Waterford. This game could go anyway.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1829 - 28/08/2017 14:36:49
2039374
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Mayonman: "Do u really think Waterford are a team Galway fear?? Bar 1 game a few years ago, 1 in the early 00's I can't even remember any other. They are certainly not a team that Galway will have any physiological block about. If we were playing KK I would say yes, because we all expect KK to score goals out of nothing, never beaten etc.
The opposite also applies. Waterford will have no hang ups about Galway.......nor should they.
If Galway have any physiological issue on Sunday it will be about the occasion rather than the opposition. And that is not to disrespect Waterford. This game could go anyway." They don't like playing Waterford in my opinion. League or championship in recent years, Galways worst performances have nearly all being against Waterford and I'd include this years League game despite the win. Galway were abysmal for 55 mins. You'll say they still won playing poorly which is a fair point but they don't seem to be able to open against Waterford like they do against the likes of Tipp more often than not. Neither teams should fear the other but I do think Galway will be more nervous than ever this year.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/08/2017 15:07:57
2039395
Link
1
|
|
Replying To keeper7: "Will Fives or De Búrca play sweeper?" Defintely De Burca. Fives will man mark Canning and drive him demented
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/08/2017 15:10:41
2039399
Link
0
|
|
Replying To KK1926: "Bosco. Mayo beat Kerry as recently as 1996. Jimmy Nallen scoring a great goal.
The Galway/ Waterford dynamic is different. Ye never beat them in championship. So don't get too over heated and spare us the lack of knowledge.. Please.
Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo. Are you trying to say Galway hurlers are equally superior to Waterford. No evidence of that." "As recently as 1996" ??? Obviously time flows differently in your dimension
You also say that "Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo" - this is true NOW, but wasn't widely accepted anywhere before the semi-final (all the talk was of the big 3 - Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone). So NO, I'm not saying that Galway are superior to Waterford - if they win, they will be superior, if Waterford win, they'll be superior, End Of
Bottom line - Previous championship meetings mean very little, each game has its own dynamic - this is particularly true when it's a new group of players (Only Joe Canning remaining from 2011 meeting, I'm sure with your superior knowledge you can tell us how many Waterford players are left (Brick Walsh, Kevin Moran, ??))
Bosco98 (Galway) - Posts: 127 - 28/08/2017 15:40:52
2039421
Link
2
|
|
Replying To Bosco98: ""As recently as 1996" ??? Obviously time flows differently in your dimension
You also say that "Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo" - this is true NOW, but wasn't widely accepted anywhere before the semi-final (all the talk was of the big 3 - Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone). So NO, I'm not saying that Galway are superior to Waterford - if they win, they will be superior, if Waterford win, they'll be superior, End Of
Bottom line - Previous championship meetings mean very little, each game has its own dynamic - this is particularly true when it's a new group of players (Only Joe Canning remaining from 2011 meeting, I'm sure with your superior knowledge you can tell us how many Waterford players are left (Brick Walsh, Kevin Moran, ??))" I'm afraid your own superior knowledge let you down! There's 5 of that Galway team still involved!
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/08/2017 15:56:08
2039426
Link
1
|
|
Replying To Bosco98: ""As recently as 1996" ??? Obviously time flows differently in your dimension
You also say that "Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo" - this is true NOW, but wasn't widely accepted anywhere before the semi-final (all the talk was of the big 3 - Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone). So NO, I'm not saying that Galway are superior to Waterford - if they win, they will be superior, if Waterford win, they'll be superior, End Of
Bottom line - Previous championship meetings mean very little, each game has its own dynamic - this is particularly true when it's a new group of players (Only Joe Canning remaining from 2011 meeting, I'm sure with your superior knowledge you can tell us how many Waterford players are left (Brick Walsh, Kevin Moran, ??))" ...the exact same number as Waterford! 5!
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/08/2017 15:56:54
2039427
Link
1
|
|
Replying To Bosco98: ""As recently as 1996" ??? Obviously time flows differently in your dimension
You also say that "Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo" - this is true NOW, but wasn't widely accepted anywhere before the semi-final (all the talk was of the big 3 - Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone). So NO, I'm not saying that Galway are superior to Waterford - if they win, they will be superior, if Waterford win, they'll be superior, End Of
Bottom line - Previous championship meetings mean very little, each game has its own dynamic - this is particularly true when it's a new group of players (Only Joe Canning remaining from 2011 meeting, I'm sure with your superior knowledge you can tell us how many Waterford players are left (Brick Walsh, Kevin Moran, ??))" Bosco to start off with we have Darragh Fives, Noel Connors, Pauric Mahony (debut season), Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran playing in 2011.
Galway had Aidan Harte, Joe Canning, David Collins, Daithi Burke at least playing, a 5th i can't remember. So your knowledge is a little lacking!
And yes 1996 is relatively recently. Put it this way. Keith Higgins and Andy Moran played with men from 2004-2006 who had beaten Kerry. Ciaran McDonald, David Brady, James Nallen to name just three. So it's not something in the distant past that no one has any recollection of.. Waterford cause Galway endless problems, were beating ye in the league til the eased up.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 28/08/2017 16:22:41
2039438
Link
1
|
|
Replying To KK1926: " Replying To Bosco98: ""As recently as 1996" ??? Obviously time flows differently in your dimension
You also say that "Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo" - this is true NOW, but wasn't widely accepted anywhere before the semi-final (all the talk was of the big 3 - Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone). So NO, I'm not saying that Galway are superior to Waterford - if they win, they will be superior, if Waterford win, they'll be superior, End Of
Bottom line - Previous championship meetings mean very little, each game has its own dynamic - this is particularly true when it's a new group of players (Only Joe Canning remaining from 2011 meeting, I'm sure with your superior knowledge you can tell us how many Waterford players are left (Brick Walsh, Kevin Moran, ??))" Bosco to start off with we have Darragh Fives, Noel Connors, Pauric Mahony (debut season), Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran playing in 2011. Galway had Aidan Harte, Joe Canning, David Collins, Daithi Burke at least playing, a 5th i can't remember. So your knowledge is a little lacking! And yes 1996 is relatively recently. Put it this way. Keith Higgins and Andy Moran played with men from 2004-2006 who had beaten Kerry. Ciaran McDonald, David Brady, James Nallen to name just three. So it's not something in the distant past that no one has any recollection of.. Waterford cause Galway endless problems, were beating ye in the league til the eased up."
David Collins is not involved anymore and Daithi Burke didn't play with Galway until 2014 so like your earlier statements totally inaccurate and based on assumptions more than anything.
grellans89 (Galway) - Posts: 257 - 28/08/2017 16:52:03
2039454
Link
1
|
|
Replying To KK1926: " Replying To Bosco98: ""As recently as 1996" ??? Obviously time flows differently in your dimension
You also say that "Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo" - this is true NOW, but wasn't widely accepted anywhere before the semi-final (all the talk was of the big 3 - Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone). So NO, I'm not saying that Galway are superior to Waterford - if they win, they will be superior, if Waterford win, they'll be superior, End Of
Bottom line - Previous championship meetings mean very little, each game has its own dynamic - this is particularly true when it's a new group of players (Only Joe Canning remaining from 2011 meeting, I'm sure with your superior knowledge you can tell us how many Waterford players are left (Brick Walsh, Kevin Moran, ??))" Bosco to start off with we have Darragh Fives, Noel Connors, Pauric Mahony (debut season), Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran playing in 2011. Galway had Aidan Harte, Joe Canning, David Collins, Daithi Burke at least playing, a 5th i can't remember. So your knowledge is a little lacking! And yes 1996 is relatively recently. Put it this way. Keith Higgins and Andy Moran played with men from 2004-2006 who had beaten Kerry. Ciaran McDonald, David Brady, James Nallen to name just three. So it's not something in the distant past that no one has any recollection of.. Waterford cause Galway endless problems, were beating ye in the league til the eased up."
A lot of 'outsiders' clump the 2012 & 2015 Galway final losses as having been 'achieved' by the same side. In fact, well over half of the 2012 starting side had been replaced on the 2015 side. Not everyone seems to know that!! Cunningham brought a young team of greenhorns to the 2015 final, with over half of that starting team in only their first or second season at senior level. A fair achievement, I would always contend.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3421 - 28/08/2017 17:13:35
2039469
Link
0
|
|
Replying To grellans89: " Replying To KK1926: "[quote=Bosco98: ""As recently as 1996" ??? Obviously time flows differently in your dimension
You also say that "Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo" - this is true NOW, but wasn't widely accepted anywhere before the semi-final (all the talk was of the big 3 - Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone). So NO, I'm not saying that Galway are superior to Waterford - if they win, they will be superior, if Waterford win, they'll be superior, End Of
Bottom line - Previous championship meetings mean very little, each game has its own dynamic - this is particularly true when it's a new group of players (Only Joe Canning remaining from 2011 meeting, I'm sure with your superior knowledge you can tell us how many Waterford players are left (Brick Walsh, Kevin Moran, ??))" Bosco to start off with we have Darragh Fives, Noel Connors, Pauric Mahony (debut season), Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran playing in 2011. Galway had Aidan Harte, Joe Canning, David Collins, Daithi Burke at least playing, a 5th i can't remember. So your knowledge is a little lacking! And yes 1996 is relatively recently. Put it this way. Keith Higgins and Andy Moran played with men from 2004-2006 who had beaten Kerry. Ciaran McDonald, David Brady, James Nallen to name just three. So it's not something in the distant past that no one has any recollection of.. Waterford cause Galway endless problems, were beating ye in the league til the eased up."
David Collins is not involved anymore and Daithi Burke didn't play with Galway until 2014 so like your earlier statements totally inaccurate and based on assumptions more than anything."]No there based on this the match day record from July 2011.
Sunday 24 July
All-Ireland SHC quarter-final
At Croke Park
Waterford 2-23
Galway 2-13
Waterford: C Hennessy; D Fives, L Lawlor, N Connors; T Browne, M Walsh, K Moran (0-3); D O'Sullivan, S Molumphy (0-3); E Kelly (0-1), S O'Sullivan (0-1), P Mahony (0-7); J Mullane (0-3), S Walsh (1-4), S Prendergast (0-1). Subs: S Casey for Prendergast, R Foley for Kelly, D Prendergast for Browne, T Ryan (1-0) for Mullane.
Galway: J Skehill; F Moore, S Kavanagh, D Collins; D Barry, T Og Regan (0-1), A Cullinane; A Smith (0-1), D Burke; J Gantley, G Farragher (0-2); I Tannian (0-1), D Hayes, J Canning (1-6), J Regan (0-1). Subs: C Donnellan for Gantley, K Hynes for Barry, J Lee for Cullinane, B Daly (0-1) for Smith, A Harte (1-0) for Burke.
KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 28/08/2017 17:30:49
2039480
Link
2
|
|
Replying To KK1926: "Bosco. Mayo beat Kerry as recently as 1996. Jimmy Nallen scoring a great goal.
The Galway/ Waterford dynamic is different. Ye never beat them in championship. So don't get too over heated and spare us the lack of knowledge.. Please.
Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo. Are you trying to say Galway hurlers are equally superior to Waterford. No evidence of that." No evidence of it? Well it must be very convenient for you to ignore facts that don't suit your agenda.For example Galway beat Tipp the All Ireland champs in the All Semi recently when you must have been asleep or out of the country.Tipp a team who routinely dismantle Waterford ,and that was the 2nd time Galway beat them in a bid game this year.Seems like evidence to me.
Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 28/08/2017 18:23:47
2039517
Link
1
|
|
Replying To KK1926: " Replying To grellans89: "[quote=KK1926: "[quote=Bosco98: ""As recently as 1996" ??? Obviously time flows differently in your dimension
You also say that "Kerry at present are an inferior football team to Mayo" - this is true NOW, but wasn't widely accepted anywhere before the semi-final (all the talk was of the big 3 - Dublin/Kerry/Tyrone). So NO, I'm not saying that Galway are superior to Waterford - if they win, they will be superior, if Waterford win, they'll be superior, End Of
Bottom line - Previous championship meetings mean very little, each game has its own dynamic - this is particularly true when it's a new group of players (Only Joe Canning remaining from 2011 meeting, I'm sure with your superior knowledge you can tell us how many Waterford players are left (Brick Walsh, Kevin Moran, ??))" Bosco to start off with we have Darragh Fives, Noel Connors, Pauric Mahony (debut season), Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran playing in 2011. Galway had Aidan Harte, Joe Canning, David Collins, Daithi Burke at least playing, a 5th i can't remember. So your knowledge is a little lacking! And yes 1996 is relatively recently. Put it this way. Keith Higgins and Andy Moran played with men from 2004-2006 who had beaten Kerry. Ciaran McDonald, David Brady, James Nallen to name just three. So it's not something in the distant past that no one has any recollection of.. Waterford cause Galway endless problems, were beating ye in the league til the eased up."
David Collins is not involved anymore and Daithi Burke didn't play with Galway until 2014 so like your earlier statements totally inaccurate and based on assumptions more than anything."]No there based on this the match day record from July 2011.
Sunday 24 July
All-Ireland SHC quarter-final
At Croke Park
Waterford 2-23
Galway 2-13
Waterford: C Hennessy; D Fives, L Lawlor, N Connors; T Browne, M Walsh, K Moran (0-3); D O'Sullivan, S Molumphy (0-3); E Kelly (0-1), S O'Sullivan (0-1), P Mahony (0-7); J Mullane (0-3), S Walsh (1-4), S Prendergast (0-1). Subs: S Casey for Prendergast, R Foley for Kelly, D Prendergast for Browne, T Ryan (1-0) for Mullane.
Galway: J Skehill; F Moore, S Kavanagh, D Collins; D Barry, T Og Regan (0-1), A Cullinane; A Smith (0-1), D Burke; J Gantley, G Farragher (0-2); I Tannian (0-1), D Hayes, J Canning (1-6), J Regan (0-1). Subs: C Donnellan for Gantley, K Hynes for Barry, J Lee for Cullinane, B Daly (0-1) for Smith, A Harte (1-0) for Burke."]Have you double vision there, kk1926? There's only one D.Burke in that lineup. We have a DAVID and a DAITHI, complicated I know!! Daithi was a 2014 addition at senior level afaik, 2013 at the earliest, and definitely not on the 2012 panel, let alone the 2011 panel under previous management.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3421 - 28/08/2017 18:28:25
2039521
Link
1
|