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Sick of all the talk of changing the championship to a champions league format, even in that format you are still going to get the so called weaker teams coming up against the likes of dublin tyrone etc.... Why don't we do the simple thing and scrap the back door, once a team is knocked out of their provincial championship they are out of the All Ireland series. Instead they go into the secondary competition "the Paudi O'Sea". Bring back the knock out element of the championship, allow us to get the magic back. It will keep the old structures while giving a secondary competition for the weaker teams to compete for. manowar (Fermanagh) - Posts: 147 - 07/08/2017 16:12:57 2030383 Link
Yes, bring the Paudi O'Shea format in. But sadly doesn't look like its going to happen soon enough, I do predict it is coming in, in the next 10-12 years. But under circumstances the back door should stay till there is a new format introduced. oakleafersir (Derry) - Posts: 808 - 08/08/2017 00:45:41 2030737 Link
Run open draw provincials in early summer. Then open draw All Ireland after that. All teams guaranteed two games and all games are knockout. A few giant-killing games possible, local provincial derbies and a chance of local draws in the All Ireland too. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 08/08/2017 06:05:19 2030758 Link
Replying To oakleafersir: "Yes, bring the Paudi O'Shea format in. But sadly doesn't look like its going to happen soon enough, I do predict it is coming in, in the next 10-12 years. But under circumstances the back door should stay till there is a new format introduced." its championship, one game one bite of the apple, you win you go on, lose you're gone, even if you have to play a shield type championship next. As it stands the back door gives a strong team which had a bad day in the championship a chance to regroup and get a run to possibly the big one bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 08/08/2017 08:24:15 2030765 Link
after years of banal and boring punditry, colm o'rourke finally says something worth listening to, and articulates what of us at grass roots level have been saying. super 8 is all about Sky, who have a track record of ruining sport where they get involved. Corporate GAA have now become separated from grass roots and the club game will continue to decline as a result totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 916 - 08/08/2017 09:21:29 2030788 Link
Replying To manowar: "Sick of all the talk of changing the championship to a champions league format, even in that format you are still going to get the so called weaker teams coming up against the likes of dublin tyrone etc.... Why don't we do the simple thing and scrap the back door, once a team is knocked out of their provincial championship they are out of the All Ireland series. Instead they go into the secondary competition "the Paudi O'Sea". Bring back the knock out element of the championship, allow us to get the magic back. It will keep the old structures while giving a secondary competition for the weaker teams to compete for." Yes!!!!!! scrap it to hell. its a load of bullsht. our game is going to the dogs. interest is being lost and whats more, and a lot of people will agree with me on this. A lot of teams knocked out in the backdoor were happier to get away and get the championship going at home. look at Armagh and Monaghan. what advantage had they over lets say Cavan and Fermanagh by getting to a quarter final. none........ theweanling (Cavan)* - Posts: 414 - 08/08/2017 11:02:59 2030869 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Run open draw provincials in early summer. Then open draw All Ireland after that. All teams guaranteed two games and all games are knockout. A few giant-killing games possible, local provincial derbies and a chance of local draws in the All Ireland too." The best idea I've heard in a long time in fairness. Won't happen though. The GAA would rather ensure we watch the super 8's where you're almost guarantee the last match in each group being meaningless. It'll be a huge flop imo and does nothing for the gane tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 08/08/2017 11:11:03 2030870 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Run open draw provincials in early summer. Then open draw All Ireland after that. All teams guaranteed two games and all games are knockout. A few giant-killing games possible, local provincial derbies and a chance of local draws in the All Ireland too." Not a bad idea at all!!!!! And leaves a few weeks mid summer for club championships. theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 08/08/2017 11:40:56 2030888 Link
Scrap the back door and play 2 to 3 league games in late October early November. Finish the league around end of March / early April Start the provincials in May and finish end of June early July. Have an open draw for Sam , 32 counties in the hat and after one round 16 left After another 8 left which should bring you into mid August Then the Qfinals over one weekend with the two semi finals played on one weekend eg Sat evening / Sunday Play extra time in the event of a drawn game We could have some marvellous first round games like say Dublin / Kerry or Tyrone / Mayo This is my idea so up to someone else to come up with something different. And forget about Sky. SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 08/08/2017 11:48:32 2030897 Link
The qualifiers can at the same time make it easier for the top teams to win the competition and be better for the development of other counties. It's not a zero sum game. Carlow got 5 matches this championship. 2 on television. With less chance of that their sponsorship revenue probably decreases. Guys who may be on the edge between whether they want to play next year may look at this season as a reason to make it worthwhile. Armagh got 6 championship matches this year, if there was no back door they'd have gotten 1. Their season would've been considered an outright failure. They may have gotten rid of McGeeney. Jamie Clarke maybe would have packed it in for good. Instead they got to play twice in Croke Park. Beating a team who'll be division 1 next year. They've maybe learned some interesting lessons about their team that will help them next year to get promoted or to mount a better challenge in Ulster. They may have discovered a new player who could have slipped through the net. The fans also got a few weekends away and the craic that comes with that. The GAA got more money too, I don't know why people have such a problem with that to be honest. I'd rather the GAA be bringing in the dough than it going somewhere else. Without the backdoor we'd have gotten maybe 4 decent matches this season. How much would Kerry have beaten Roscommon by in an All Ireland semifinal. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4221 - 08/08/2017 12:58:01 2030969 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "The qualifiers can at the same time make it easier for the top teams to win the competition and be better for the development of other counties. It's not a zero sum game. Carlow got 5 matches this championship. 2 on television. With less chance of that their sponsorship revenue probably decreases. Guys who may be on the edge between whether they want to play next year may look at this season as a reason to make it worthwhile. Armagh got 6 championship matches this year, if there was no back door they'd have gotten 1. Their season would've been considered an outright failure. They may have gotten rid of McGeeney. Jamie Clarke maybe would have packed it in for good. Instead they got to play twice in Croke Park. Beating a team who'll be division 1 next year. They've maybe learned some interesting lessons about their team that will help them next year to get promoted or to mount a better challenge in Ulster. They may have discovered a new player who could have slipped through the net. The fans also got a few weekends away and the craic that comes with that. The GAA got more money too, I don't know why people have such a problem with that to be honest. I'd rather the GAA be bringing in the dough than it going somewhere else. Without the backdoor we'd have gotten maybe 4 decent matches this season. How much would Kerry have beaten Roscommon by in an All Ireland semifinal." the problem I see now with the back door is that teams like Monaghan(not this year I know) & Rosocommon win a provincial title, but regardless will still be underdogs and be beaten by a traditional heavy weight..all very well saying they have a provincial, but the hiding Roscommon took yesterday makes absolute rubbish of their provincial title..they might say other wise but sure what game will people remember at years end and in years to come...the back door has had its day and needs to go..some sort of alternative should be introduced...worth a try anyway...Mayo are probably the best "back door" team of recent times..but wouldn't be there at all only for the back door.... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 08/08/2017 13:55:29 2031021 Link
Replying To Fairplayalways: "the problem I see now with the back door is that teams like Monaghan(not this year I know) & Rosocommon win a provincial title, but regardless will still be underdogs and be beaten by a traditional heavy weight..all very well saying they have a provincial, but the hiding Roscommon took yesterday makes absolute rubbish of their provincial title..they might say other wise but sure what game will people remember at years end and in years to come...the back door has had its day and needs to go..some sort of alternative should be introduced...worth a try anyway...Mayo are probably the best "back door" team of recent times..but wouldn't be there at all only for the back door...." Yeah that's an interesting point. Particularly in the case of Roscommon and Monaghan where they were beaten by a team from their own Province. It's still a meaningful piece of silverware though. The team still gets the glory on the day. Smaller teams do need more games and I think B championships etc are proven at this stage to not cut the mustard. I'd be in favour of the league being played in parallel to the All Ireland. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4221 - 08/08/2017 17:58:57 2031211 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Run open draw provincials in early summer. Then open draw All Ireland after that. All teams guaranteed two games and all games are knockout. A few giant-killing games possible, local provincial derbies and a chance of local draws in the All Ireland too." But isn't that what's happening now, only they run concurrently (province and qualifiers) and under current format teams are rewarded for doing well provincially by entering the "all ireland" at a later stage. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 08/08/2017 19:43:00 2031262 Link