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Replying To Soma:  "They are looking to win their 5th All-Ireland of the 7 played for this decade. They had the longest unbeaten record in the history of the game. If they are not involved in any conversation discussing the greatest teams of all time then it's not a conversation worth listening to. Dublin fans tend to be genuine football lovers so I'd expect most of them to admit that Cooper was an embarrassment to the jersey yesterday."
Genuinely have no idea what you are talking about with regards Jonny Cooper ? What happened ? Must see it later on....

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 06/08/2017 11:14:01    2029668

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It's best management and players stay away from interviews saying 'we could of preformed better" and "we've a lot to work on" because I simply don't want to hear it.

Live_Wire (Monaghan) - Posts: 40 - 06/08/2017 11:29:44    2029677

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Sure what do I know?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 06/08/2017 11:42:33    2029682

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "When you set up so defensively like Monaghan did then that's what you get, not much a contest."
monaghan setting up defensively??...did you not realise that on several occasions dublin actually had FIFTEEN players in their own half. dublin play a defensive and counter attacking game just like everyone else. Lets have no more guff about this.

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 06/08/2017 11:47:20    2029685

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Sure what do I know?"
An ex great Brazilian footballer once said - "the only thing I know, is that I know nothing" .. ;-)

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 06/08/2017 11:52:53    2029688

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "monaghan setting up defensively??...did you not realise that on several occasions dublin actually had FIFTEEN players in their own half. dublin play a defensive and counter attacking game just like everyone else. Lets have no more guff about this."
That's the difference though.. Dublin play a counter attacking game, similar to Tyrone. Monaghan yesterday however set up to defend full stop. Any ball going into the full forward line was to at most 2 forwards facing 4 or 5 backs. The support play was non existent

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 06/08/2017 12:26:51    2029701

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Great day yesterday but a very disappointing game.

Very surprised by the level of intensity that Monaghan brought and to be frank was hoping for and expecting a tougher game. I suppose on reflection you could say Monaghan just haven't hit form at all in the championship and i suppose as games pass, i think we are beginning to see how of the pace Dublin were in the league to the championship pitch they are now hitting. That said any day you beat a Division 1 team in the championship is a good day, some teams haven't beaten one in many years. Hopefully Monaghan can develop from here the league and championship has been richer for them in recent years, i am sure their fans are equally disappointed in the meek exit. Were Mongahan bad or were Dublin just good is the question i ma left with,

As for Dublin it was a comfortable enough performance, i thought Jim set up to be very contained expecting a tougher game so Dublin never really let themselves of the leash, even so the game was over after 30 mins and Dublin just saw they game out in a practical fashion without really opening up. Of the positives i thought it was a brilliant defensive display by the whole team, forwards closing down, midfielders winning turnover, and defenders swarming around danger and winning almost every battle. Particularly pleasing was that Monaghan have some of the highest quality forward in the country for me and were snuffed out of the game, that bodes well for possible tougher games coming up against the likes of JOD and Geaney. Cian O' Sullivan was immense for me, back to his best and looking very fit, Jonny Cooper equally was excellent. Ciaran Kilkenny remains for me the best player in the country and Dublin best player. Brian Fenton was in imperious form, Eric Lowndes had one of his best games yesterday and was amazed he was substituted. Paul Mannion is really having some year i though he was superb yesterday. Rock took some wonderful points from the dead ball. Fitzy impressed as well. What can you say about Cluxton, he is having a steller year and he is getting better, some of his saves this year have been immense.

In critique, i would agree with some here that i thought we got the bulk of the refereeing decisions yesterday. That said Dublin should have had a couple of goals for bad decisions on playing advantage (again). I thought Philly McMahon was poor by his own standards, Paddy Andrews i though had a very mixed game, but its his movement he is for, young Con i thought had a tough day at the office but that wont do him any harm. Bernard when he came on i thought was trying to hard to make an impact.

Overall i am happy were Dublin are at. There were signs yesterday that they are getting to a peak stage of physicality that teams will struggle with. Its also worthwhile mentioning MDM and Flynn coming on looking lean, fit and sharp. With Dermo free now for the semi final, Dublin look in a very healthy state and very nicely placed and wont fear, but will respect any team left in the championship. A nice balance between attack and defense is looking well calibrated as we get to the business end.

A tough game against Tyrone will be welcome and i think we will be ready for it, we were holding an awful lot back yesterday and certainly more to come.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 06/08/2017 12:58:45    2029710

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It's dissapointing to see comments on here that are so biased, McManus actually catches Cooper around the head it should have been a straight red card if anything for striking, yet the same people came on here saying rules are rules and condemning Connolly for touching a linesman chest, get a grip and look at the game without hatred to one team.
actually thaught the ref had one of the best performance of any red this year last night he got most calls spot on.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/08/2017 14:17:45    2029740

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People come on here and berate leinster football and pontificate to us on how poor it is and how we can't get near Dublin and then we get a game like yesterday from what is supposed to be one of Ulster's top teams. They were simply blown away. Tyrone walked through Ulster, Kerry the same in Munster and even The Rossies had it handy in Connacht. There wasn't one decent provincial final this year. I said before on here if Dublin were in any of the other provinces they would have won the championship in that province most of the last few years and I think that stands up to scrutiny. But they are in Leinster and Leinster teams have to deal with them earlier than the rest, while the other teams around the country are battling it out to win their own provinces and at least pick up some silverware. It's easy to look down your nose at leinster football but look around your own province and ask how strong is it in reality.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2017 15:14:48    2029759

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On this thread my prediction was an 8-10 victory for the Dubs. The scoreline reflected where both teams are at, the game did not.

For a Monaghan win we would have had to play at our very best and got Dublin in the form they were actually in yesterday. If we played at our very best and the Dubs did likewise it would still be 8-10. Unfortunately its the truth of the matter. We never looked like posing a threat and its sad, as Dublin did not play particularly well by their standards. In the first half the ref was a nice help to Dublin but they did not need it. In the second half the ref was at least balanced in his inconsistency. We constantly carried the ball in straight in to that blue blanket and did not counter attack as we can do. McCarron squandered a lot of chances and made sloppy mistakes, really he should have come off in the first half. Once again we had Conor McCarthy come from the bench and make a real impact. He was one of a few bright lights yesterday, from our perspective. Rory did well to shut out more goals. Perhaps there was tiredness creeping in but I think a lot of this is our own demons. We are top 8 for what it is worth but that is the limit.

I was amused to see a typical comment from one of our near neighbours comparing us to Antrim with one class forward...We are above that for sure. We have two class forwards called Conor at least. I figure Cavan are exactly like Antrim in that case?

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 06/08/2017 15:32:32    2029763

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "It's dissapointing to see comments on here that are so biased, McManus actually catches Cooper around the head it should have been a straight red card if anything for striking, yet the same people came on here saying rules are rules and condemning Connolly for touching a linesman chest, get a grip and look at the game without hatred to one team.
actually thaught the ref had one of the best performance of any red this year last night he got most calls spot on."
Spot on Hill.

According to some, Jim told our lads to go out and feign injury. Unbelievable stuff.

There is no way Jack would pretend to be injured to get a player booked. Anyone who knows him would tell you that.

As for Jonny - I heard it was his neck and considering what he has been through any belt to that area would cause him to need attention.

But sure leave them at it.

Biased commentary which at times is very ott. We get criticised at any semblance of an opportunity. Par for the course at this stage. One poster even suggested we should not even be considered in the category of an all time great team, so we really need to take such posts with a pinch of salt.

Looking forward to the challenge Tyrone will bring and expect our lads to up it quite a bit the next day out. I felt we played within ourselves yesterday but from now on in it has to be at full pelt.
Jim and our lads will be ready for the test/tests ahead. And with Connolly back it will add a new dimension to the build up.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3724 - 06/08/2017 15:33:48    2029764

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Replying To kildare73:  "People come on here and berate leinster football and pontificate to us on how poor it is and how we can't get near Dublin and then we get a game like yesterday from what is supposed to be one of Ulster's top teams. They were simply blown away. Tyrone walked through Ulster, Kerry the same in Munster and even The Rossies had it handy in Connacht. There wasn't one decent provincial final this year. I said before on here if Dublin were in any of the other provinces they would have won the championship in that province most of the last few years and I think that stands up to scrutiny. But they are in Leinster and Leinster teams have to deal with them earlier than the rest, while the other teams around the country are battling it out to win their own provinces and at least pick up some silverware. It's easy to look down your nose at leinster football but look around your own province and ask how strong is it in reality."
The difference is....the second best that Leinster could offer were humbled by a Div 3 Ulster team who are at best 3rd/4th in our province.

Dublin are head and shoulders above the rest in Leinster and have been for years. Three different teams have one the anglo celt in the last five years...

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 06/08/2017 15:35:36    2029765

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "It's dissapointing to see comments on here that are so biased, McManus actually catches Cooper around the head it should have been a straight red card if anything for striking, yet the same people came on here saying rules are rules and condemning Connolly for touching a linesman chest, get a grip and look at the game without hatred to one team.
actually thaught the ref had one of the best performance of any red this year last night he got most calls spot on."
Ah come on a straight red?
I thought cooper should not have being coming in late, he certainly was the one who started the confrontation and no doubt knew it was mc. Manus.
I thought both should have been booked and get on with it. As it was mc manus only got booked so was good outcome for cooper. I don't think he dived by the way he was entitled to go down

Frederick (Louth) - Posts: 479 - 06/08/2017 15:41:14    2029769

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Replying To seanfinn:  "The difference is....the second best that Leinster could offer were humbled by a Div 3 Ulster team who are at best 3rd/4th in our province.

Dublin are head and shoulders above the rest in Leinster and have been for years. Three different teams have one the anglo celt in the last five years..."
In fairness though kildare went at Dublin and tryed to win the game and caused us problems where as monaghan never tried to win the game they set up to defend all evening and for a division one team which has been in quarter finals several times it was poor to go out and not have a go at this stage ad what's the point in getting to the last eight and keeping score down?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/08/2017 15:50:43    2029774

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Replying To seanfinn:  "The difference is....the second best that Leinster could offer were humbled by a Div 3 Ulster team who are at best 3rd/4th in our province.

Dublin are head and shoulders above the rest in Leinster and have been for years. Three different teams have one the anglo celt in the last five years..."
A. Tyrone walked Ulster. B. How many times in those last five years would Dublin have won the Anglo Celt cup if they were in Ulster? That's my point.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2017 15:54:46    2029775

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Replying To seanfinn:  "The difference is....the second best that Leinster could offer were humbled by a Div 3 Ulster team who are at best 3rd/4th in our province.

Dublin are head and shoulders above the rest in Leinster and have been for years. Three different teams have one the anglo celt in the last five years..."
And if you want to use your logic it took your lads an hour to catch a division 4 team. Then you ran into the Dublin and found out what you were really like. We got closer to Dublin than Monaghan did. So easy with the comparison there my friend.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2017 16:00:53    2029776

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Replying To kildare73:  "And if you want to use your logic it took your lads an hour to catch a division 4 team. Then you ran into the Dublin and found out what you were really like. We got closer to Dublin than Monaghan did. So easy with the comparison there my friend."
You have no point. Kildare are obviously improving but you had 2 games under your belt when you played Dublin not 5. Did you ever think you just had the legs and fitness for it and were more able to have a go? In any event 6 points you lost by and what difference did it make. You never looked like winning and neither did Monaghan. Monaghan still won against Carlow and did what was needed. Monaghan comfortably beat down. Kildare should have been able to deal with Armagh by anyones logic but they could not.

Ulster teams were 3 from 8 of the QF berths....No Kildare, no Meath etc. You only have to play Dublin once so why can't they make it to the QFs if its all a case of you having to deal with Dublin? The last time a second Leinster team was in the QF was 2015...How did that go?

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 06/08/2017 16:27:58    2029781

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Replying To kildare73:  "A. Tyrone walked Ulster. B. How many times in those last five years would Dublin have won the Anglo Celt cup if they were in Ulster? That's my point."
How many times would Dublin win the Anglo Celt?

I don't know and neither do you and neither of us ever will as its a ludicrous position to take in making a point.

How many times would South Africa win the 6 nations?

How many times would Celtic win the FA cup?

How many times would Argentina win the Euro championship?

We can do this all day but its a nonsense.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 06/08/2017 16:31:37    2029782

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Replying To seanfinn:  "How many times would Dublin win the Anglo Celt?

I don't know and neither do you and neither of us ever will as its a ludicrous position to take in making a point.

How many times would South Africa win the 6 nations?

How many times would Celtic win the FA cup?

How many times would Argentina win the Euro championship?

We can do this all day but its a nonsense."
South Africa, Argentina and Celtic don't constantly go on about the state of their games in their respective codes and countries, unlike people on here who don't have to deal with the best until much later on. My original post was about the strength inside each individual province but you skated happily past that because you can't stand up your argument for Ulster. Unless you want to argue Dublin aren't the best team in the country and haven't been for the last few years, I think we can venture a guess those 5 Anglo Celt cups you talked about would have all gone to Dublin given their dominance around the country. The have just come off the back of a 35 game unbeaten run and it wasn't all achieved against leinster teams, everyone had their go and failed. And it wasn't a an Ulster team that stopped it either. My point is when Monaghan, like ourselves, went up against Dublin you too failed easily. If anything our display was at least more creditable.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 06/08/2017 17:01:42    2029797

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Monaghan the most overated team in the land.a team many talk up every year and i can never see the reasoning behind it.they were never going to get near dublin in croke park at this stage of the championship..to think people on HS thought they would trouble us and give us a game.never going to happen..ulster football will be dominated by tyrone now for the next few years..donegal monaghan armagh will get nowhere near them.and thats credit to tyrone for getting their act together and putting together a team that will compete for an all ireland 'a team that will be relishing taking dublin on in a semi final.they wont fear playing dublin like most do.

GGdub (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 06/08/2017 17:08:39    2029800

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