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No cute hoorism here, just wondering why time and time again I read Dublin and Kerry are miles ahead of the rest. Forpucksake (UK) - Posts: 130 - 19/07/2017 11:23:27 2019164 Link 0 |
They are not considered so far ahead as you say, just ahead. At the moment maybe only one Mayo forward might make the Kerry team, that is the difference. Not rocket science. Not saying Mayo couldn't beat them, just on form Kerry are ahead. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 19/07/2017 11:42:38 2019176 Link 0 |
I'm inclined to agree with you the last time Kerry looked to have a chance of beating Dublin was in that great semi final of 2013 and even then Kerry who had there goals in the first 20 minutes couldn't get over the line. Mayo without doubt have come closer than Kerry of turning them over .They have lost two All Ireland by a point one after a replay to maybe what could turn out to be the greatest team of all time.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 19/07/2017 11:49:52 2019181 Link 0 |
Probably because Kerry have better record in finals , have better forwards, win the province handily enough and don't fall to teams not expected to beat them. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 19/07/2017 11:56:48 2019187 Link 0 |
Been a long time since Kerry lost to anyone other than Dublin. In that time Kerry have knocked Mayo out in a close semi to win an All Ireland and Mayo have lost twice to a far from world beating Galway team. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 19/07/2017 11:56:55 2019188 Link 0 |
agreed
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/07/2017 11:59:09 2019190 Link 0 |
Andy Morans probably too old at this stage to make the Kerry team, So i dont think any Mayo Forward would make the Kerry team at present
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 19/07/2017 12:02:54 2019194 Link 0 |
Kerry are ahead of Mayo because, they have James O'Donoghue and Paul Geaney. Kerry also have beaten Dublin, and Mayo. Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 19/07/2017 12:07:30 2019196 Link 0 |
I also find it amusing that Mayo are being ranked behind Kerry and Tyrone, given the fact that Mayo beat both of them in the League away from home when they were under pressure and they only missed out on the league final on score difference. And let us not forget how Mayo turned over Tyrone last year in the quarter final. Mayo are tipping along nicely in the qualifiers and are getting much needed competitive games into Aidan O'Shea and Lee Keegan and I fully expect them to advance to a Quarter Final where they will fear nobody. Let us not forget Mayo started back collective training as late as Dublin did this year and they will be fresh and fit come quarter final time and possibly semi final stage as well. Also Mayo may have found a new attacking dimension to the side that they haven't seen since 2014, by pushing Keith Higgins up to centre forward where his pace can cause any team problems. BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 932 - 19/07/2017 12:09:34 2019199 Link 0 |
According to the bookies, kerry are very far ahead of mayo in the reckoning. This goes 100% down to form. Mayo are a great quarter final and semi final team. When they get to a final they wake up that morning with dread and horror. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 19/07/2017 12:13:04 2019203 Link 0 |
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 19/07/2017 12:13:31 2019204 Link 1 |
People will disagree with me of course but if COC had a bit of help around him he would look the part in any team, people just like to give him a hard time.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 19/07/2017 12:13:33 2019205 Link 0 |
I genuinely do not think any Mayo forward would make the Dublin or Kerry team Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 19/07/2017 12:18:12 2019212 Link 0 |
We'd find a place for Cillian O'Connor I am sure. Diarmuid O'Connor would also be in or close in our half forward line. Aiden O'Shea would also be in there although he looks more a midfielder so maybe not. I suppose the thing with these lads though is that they don't score much from play, not in the way Geaney or JOD does on a regular basis anyway. I don't think any of our forwards outside of this pair are especially brilliant. I'd consider Kerry v Mayo a 50/50 game. Kerry have better forwards than Mayo and don't have to work as hard for scores from play which is a big factor. Mayo are such a tough team though that I wouldn't think there would be more than a kick of a ball either way. I think the reason Mayo have done better against Dublin in recent years is down to pace and athleticism. Kerry always stay in the game until 60 minutes but the the old legs then start to give, allowing Dublin to run riot with pacy subs like McMenimin and win relatively comfortably. Mayo have had a much more athletic team in recent years, capable of staying with the Dubs all the way in to injury time. That is starting to change now and Kerry have introduced new players and gotten the likes of JOD and Buckley back. I think bringing a 36 year old Marc O'Sé in at the end for Geaney last year epitomises the issue we have had. We look to have far better depth now. whether it's enough to get over the line remains to be seen. I do agree it is daft to be saying the All Ireland is down to two. Tyrone and Mayo are well in with a chance. I don't see any contenders outside of this though. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 19/07/2017 12:35:12 2019221 Link 0 |
It's fair enough that people don't rate COC htst highly but is more often than not excellent on the big day. Lat year in the final he was superb, same against Tyrone. Not playing well at the moment I will admit that but other teams like Kerry and Dublin have forwards sharing the workload. Posters on here won't admit it but they actively look for faults every time COC takes the field. As I pointed out look to his performance on the biggest day of them all last year, he was excellent.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 19/07/2017 12:39:16 2019223 Link 2 |
I'm not sure why some people have such a gripe with Cillian O'Connor. He is a top top forward and yes, he would make any team in the country including Dublin and Kerry. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 19/07/2017 12:48:29 2019227 Link 1 |
Problem with that Flaker is when it came down to it, when it was sh*t or get off the pot, with that last free, he got off the pot. Now, for most lads you would say fair enough, but that'd a free on his good side that he makes 9/10 times, but when the pressure was on, when he HAD to make it, he failed. That personal moment for COC almost epitomised Mayo as a whole. Good enough to get to the line, not good enough to get over the line. Somehow they always conspire not to do it. If that had been Moran, Diarmuid, Freeman or McLoughlin has missed that free, i would be more forgiving. The fact is tho that Cillian is more than capable of making that free but when he had to do it, he failed. If that makes sense. Look at 2011, Cluxton was in a similar position , the edge of his capabilities, when it had to be done, he did it. Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 19/07/2017 12:50:07 2019228 Link 2 |
He also ran in about 10-15 yards to a much more advantageous angle from where the free was committed and still missed. :) jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 19/07/2017 12:55:49 2019229 Link 1 |
Problem with that Flaker is when it came down to it, when it was sh*t or get off the pot, with that last free, he got off the pot. Now, for most lads you would say fair enough, but that'd a free on his good side that he makes 9/10 times, but when the pressure was on, when he HAD to make it, he failed. That personal moment for COC almost epitomised Mayo as a whole. Good enough to get to the line, not good enough to get over the line. Somehow they always conspire not to do it. If that had been Moran, Diarmuid, Freeman or McLoughlin has missed that free, i would be more forgiving. The fact is tho that Cillian is more than capable of making that free but when he had to do it, he failed. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 19/07/2017 13:12:16 2019237 Link 2 |
Flaker, why do you think a lot of non Mayo people perhaps have a lack of fondness shall we say for COC that perhaps they dont have for maybe Andy Moran or Keith Higgins etc? Maybe that does cloud peoples opinion's, I don't know. Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 19/07/2017 13:13:08 2019238 Link 0 |