National Forum

The Mark?

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post

What are people's opinions on the Mark? I wasn't sure on it at first because I thought it would cause interruption and some confusion, however watching some of the games this year I'd say it's a major success- makes a change for the rule makers to get something right. Looking forward to plenty more high fielding throughout the year

jonno (Kildare) - 18/06/2017 09:11:08    2000955

Link

Replying To jonno:  "What are people's opinions on the Mark? I wasn't sure on it at first because I thought it would cause interruption and some confusion, however watching some of the games this year I'd say it's a major success- makes a change for the rule makers to get something right. Looking forward to plenty more high fielding throughout the year"
Agree with this, I had originally thought it was another badly thought out rule change. It was really evident in the Kildare and Meath match that it can help the high fetching midfielders. Unfortunately most teams take short kick outs nowadays but maybe the mark will encourage more teams to kick long. The game today between Donegal and Tyrone may not have a single mark as both teams prefer the short kick out.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - 18/06/2017 09:45:47    2000972

Link

Replying To Green_Gold:  "Agree with this, I had originally thought it was another badly thought out rule change. It was really evident in the Kildare and Meath match that it can help the high fetching midfielders. Unfortunately most teams take short kick outs nowadays but maybe the mark will encourage more teams to kick long. The game today between Donegal and Tyrone may not have a single mark as both teams prefer the short kick out."
Yeah I thought the same to be honest. I thought it would ruin the flow of the game however so call it's been good. It's not like years ago when nearly are kickouts went long. There will be very few today I'd say.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - 18/06/2017 10:17:44    2000991

Link

As long as they don't give a 'mark' for handpassing we will be ok.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - 18/06/2017 10:39:31    2001005

Link

Literally the only problem I have had with the mark was it punishes anyone coming into tackle after a clean catch(as in running back to tackle) and can give an easy path for the catcher. However, I've only seen this in a single game this year(think it was Down v Armagh), otherwise its been a great success! Even I find myself jumping for a few kickouts this year!

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - 18/06/2017 10:41:13    2001006

Link

Replying To jonno:  "What are people's opinions on the Mark? I wasn't sure on it at first because I thought it would cause interruption and some confusion, however watching some of the games this year I'd say it's a major success- makes a change for the rule makers to get something right. Looking forward to plenty more high fielding throughout the year"
To be honest I couldn't understand the opposition to it. It was always going to be a pretty small rule change that was going to have a relatively positive affect if only a small affect, and so it's turned out.

tearintom (Wexford) - 18/06/2017 11:06:52    2001021

Link

It's ineffectual as far as I can see. Doesn't do much except take away the contest from the middle of the field. Most marks are uncontested which is hardly an amazing skill that should be given a free kick.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 18/06/2017 11:07:00    2001022

Link

Replying To MesAmis:  "It's ineffectual as far as I can see. Doesn't do much except take away the contest from the middle of the field. Most marks are uncontested which is hardly an amazing skill that should be given a free kick."
What? That wasn't the point of the mark, the point was a guy would go up to field it and when he landed the opposition would either surround him or start fouling, it was stopped that perfectly. The Cavan/Monaghan game had some good examples of this with a clean catch that was competed for and after landing both man would go down fighting for the ball, thanks to the mark, the winner in the air got the advantage.

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - 18/06/2017 12:01:22    2001052

Link

What? That wasn't the point of the mark, the point was a guy would go up to field it and when he landed the opposition would either surround him or start fouling, it was stopped that perfectly. The Cavan/Monaghan game had some good examples of this with a clean catch that was competed for and after landing both man would go down fighting for the ball, thanks to the mark, the winner in the air got the advantage. Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:134 - 18/06/2017 12:01:22 From what I've seen the majority of marks have been uncontested. I don't think that adds much to the game. A player winning a contested catch and driving towards goal or turning and beating his man/men used to be great to see but will all but disappear from now on. At the moment the player catches the ball uncontested and then plays a lateral ball because his man has backed off rather than engage in the tackle as he would have. The problem now is that unless you are certain of winning the mark there's no point in competing. It's the smart thing to do. The longer we have the mark the less and less we will see contested high fielding around the middle imo.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 18/06/2017 13:10:11    2001072

Link

I don't mind it personally...

waynoI (Dublin) - 18/06/2017 14:03:59    2001099

Link

Colm Cavanagh was awesome today his fielding and calling the mark against Murphy was nothing short of superb!!!

IrishGael3 (USA) - 18/06/2017 15:24:02    2001143

Link

At club level I really like the mark. One worry I'd have though is I'm finding it easier to win marks off opponents kicks than my own. Could end up discouraging long kick outs. Rewarding a clean catch I feel is working well, though.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 18/06/2017 16:46:08    2001210

Link

Replying To MesAmis:  "What? That wasn't the point of the mark, the point was a guy would go up to field it and when he landed the opposition would either surround him or start fouling, it was stopped that perfectly. The Cavan/Monaghan game had some good examples of this with a clean catch that was competed for and after landing both man would go down fighting for the ball, thanks to the mark, the winner in the air got the advantage. Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:134 - 18/06/2017 12:01:22 From what I've seen the majority of marks have been uncontested. I don't think that adds much to the game. A player winning a contested catch and driving towards goal or turning and beating his man/men used to be great to see but will all but disappear from now on. At the moment the player catches the ball uncontested and then plays a lateral ball because his man has backed off rather than engage in the tackle as he would have. The problem now is that unless you are certain of winning the mark there's no point in competing. It's the smart thing to do. The longer we have the mark the less and less we will see contested high fielding around the middle imo."
Again what? Its the exact opposite, everyone competes for the high ball instead of looking to break it because you either gain posession/free or you end up in the same position without the ball. Any uncontested kickouts would not have suddenly been contested in the air if the mark is removed, they instead would hold up the man who caught it discouraging catching. Anyone speaking out against the mark at this stage really mustn't watch must club football because you can see the difference over such a large sample size.

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - 18/06/2017 18:20:41    2001262

Link

Again what? Its the exact opposite, everyone competes for the high ball instead of looking to break it because you either gain posession/free or you end up in the same position without the ball. Any uncontested kickouts would not have suddenly been contested in the air if the mark is removed, they instead would hold up the man who caught it discouraging catching. Anyone speaking out against the mark at this stage really mustn't watch must club football because you can see the difference over such a large sample size. Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:136 - 18/06/2017 18:20:41 My point is fairly simple. The mark isn't making a huge impact either negatively or positively from what I've seen. It's an ineffectual rule that doesn't really add or take much, except for shortening the contest in the middle. It discourages kicking long against strong fielders whereas before you might still go long as you could still tackle the fielder when he came down. Last night the Meath keeper started to go short against a strong fielding Kildare midfield for example. I've watched plenty of football and the majority of marks I've seen have been uncontested. I don't believe that uncontested catches are an amazing skill that deserves a free kick awarded.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 18/06/2017 19:39:39    2001327

Link

Replying To MesAmis:  "Again what? Its the exact opposite, everyone competes for the high ball instead of looking to break it because you either gain posession/free or you end up in the same position without the ball. Any uncontested kickouts would not have suddenly been contested in the air if the mark is removed, they instead would hold up the man who caught it discouraging catching. Anyone speaking out against the mark at this stage really mustn't watch must club football because you can see the difference over such a large sample size. Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:136 - 18/06/2017 18:20:41 My point is fairly simple. The mark isn't making a huge impact either negatively or positively from what I've seen. It's an ineffectual rule that doesn't really add or take much, except for shortening the contest in the middle. It discourages kicking long against strong fielders whereas before you might still go long as you could still tackle the fielder when he came down. Last night the Meath keeper started to go short against a strong fielding Kildare midfield for example. I've watched plenty of football and the majority of marks I've seen have been uncontested. I don't believe that uncontested catches are an amazing skill that deserves a free kick awarded."
No, you're still missing the point, I can't really make it any simpler. A mark doesn't make uncontested kickouts happen more often. All it does is encourage someone to challenge in the air for it. The main complaints on kickouts the last few years was no one would go long since if anyone caught a ball clean, they were immediately surrounded or that no one caught the ball they only broke it. The mark has been a great success to end both those things. Your compliant about uncontested catches or teams afraid to go long would happen with or without a mark, since an opposition player catching it cleanly means no one was near him/bad kickout.

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - 18/06/2017 21:17:01    2001398

Link

It has been a great success, even at club level. In the blink of an eye now a kick out one end can be turned into a great ball into the full forward line at the other end. Hopefully we see some new midfield stars in the coming years as teams look to make the most of the advantage that can be gained with a high fielder.

Soma (UK) - 18/06/2017 21:28:39    2001408

Link

Don't think it has changed the game all that much to be honest. No harm either way.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - 18/06/2017 21:46:07    2001422

Link

No, you're still missing the point, I can't really make it any simpler. A mark doesn't make uncontested kickouts happen more often. All it does is encourage someone to challenge in the air for it. The main complaints on kickouts the last few years was no one would go long since if anyone caught a ball clean, they were immediately surrounded or that no one caught the ball they only broke it. The mark has been a great success to end both those things. Your compliant about uncontested catches or teams afraid to go long would happen with or without a mark, since an opposition player catching it cleanly means no one was near him/bad kickout. Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:137 - 18/06/2017 21:17:01 I understand your point completely but just disagree with you that the rule has made the game better. It's impact has been minimal. The game now is delayed slightly, sometimes, when a player catches a kick out. No one is allowed to tackle him and he can either stop to take the free or move along uncontested. The mark has ended players being allowed to compete legally for the ball in the middle once a player has caught a mark. Making a rule that doesn't allow players to legally compete for the ball in the middle of the field is quite strange when you think about it. We are also in the weird situation of a giving a free to a player who performs the most basic skill in the game, catching the ball. It's an odd rule that jars against the natural free flowing nature of the game. Luckily it can be only used in limited circumstances so it doesn't have any real impact on the game. Hopefully they don't try and bring it in for any other circumstances which would really wreck the flow of the game.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 18/06/2017 22:24:21    2001451

Link

Replying To MesAmis:  "What? That wasn't the point of the mark, the point was a guy would go up to field it and when he landed the opposition would either surround him or start fouling, it was stopped that perfectly. The Cavan/Monaghan game had some good examples of this with a clean catch that was competed for and after landing both man would go down fighting for the ball, thanks to the mark, the winner in the air got the advantage. Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts:134 - 18/06/2017 12:01:22 From what I've seen the majority of marks have been uncontested. I don't think that adds much to the game. A player winning a contested catch and driving towards goal or turning and beating his man/men used to be great to see but will all but disappear from now on. At the moment the player catches the ball uncontested and then plays a lateral ball because his man has backed off rather than engage in the tackle as he would have. The problem now is that unless you are certain of winning the mark there's no point in competing. It's the smart thing to do. The longer we have the mark the less and less we will see contested high fielding around the middle imo."
Why wouldn't you compete if your under the ball even if you can't catch it you would try knocking it down to a team mate. By your logic let the opposition gain possession and retreat doesn't make much sense.

dubarra (Wicklow) - 19/06/2017 11:25:31    2001688

Link

the mark has been great colm cavanaghs display of fielding was a joy to watch taking off into the clouds to get the ball among a group of players it was inspiring its one our games greatest skills

rhudson (Galway) - 19/06/2017 11:40:33    2001697

Link