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Refereeing crisis

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The standard of refereeing is at an all time low. Every game now there are major talking points about bad refereeing. Is it time we get refs to go professional as something needs to be done. The ref is this Carlow game is not having a good night. The same can be said for some of the referees in the league. Is it time for change.

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - 03/06/2017 20:26:47    1994040

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Refereeing crisis
The standard of refereeing is at an all time low. Every game now there are major talking points about bad refereeing. Is it time we get refs to go professional as something needs to be done. The ref is this Carlow game is not having a good night. The same can be said for some of the referees in the league. Is it time for change.
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts:287 - 03/06/2017 20:26:47
But is just get refs to turn professional really the answer if you want improvements??
Who pays for them??? Other than ref games what will they do? There is only so many matches they realistically can do.
What training do refs recieve? Do they get assessed? Monitored? Receive coaching/feedback from other referees??
Do referees in a division/county meet to discuss the rules of the game and where they need to improve?
Are referees videod so that they can see where they've went wrong and what they are doing well.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 03/06/2017 20:35:45    1994047

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Refereeing crisis
The standard of refereeing is at an all time low. Every game now there are major talking points about bad refereeing. Is it time we get refs to go professional as something needs to be done. The ref is this Carlow game is not having a good night. The same can be said for some of the referees in the league. Is it time for change.
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts:287 - 03/06/2017 20:26:47
But is just get refs to turn professional really the answer if you want improvements??
Who pays for them??? Other than ref games what will they do? There is only so many matches they realistically can do.
What training do refs recieve? Do they get assessed? Monitored? Receive coaching/feedback from other referees??
Do referees in a division/county meet to discuss the rules of the game and where they need to improve?
Are referees videod so that they can see where they've went wrong and what they are doing well."
I don't know if it is the answer but something needs to be done. Some of the refereeing performances over last few years have been scandalous. If a players performance was as bad he would be dropped but refs are aloud go out do what they want at present ruin games ruin teams. I think having a TMO would slow the game down so much but when refs are not able to enforce the rules or do there job maybe that might be the way to go.

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - 03/06/2017 20:49:23    1994059

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Before we all go town on the refs, I wouldn't do it unless there was huge reward. Which there isn't!!

TheFlaker (Mayo) - 03/06/2017 20:57:00    1994075

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I just think that gaelic football is so difficult to ref and would have sympathy for them. One thing that could be improved on would be consistency, for example some of the frees given this evening would never be given by another ref. I think we need to lay of the refs, they are only human and wilk make mistakes.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - 03/06/2017 21:06:33    1994087

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Replying To Cuckoosinging:  "The standard of refereeing is at an all time low. Every game now there are major talking points about bad refereeing. Is it time we get refs to go professional as something needs to be done. The ref is this Carlow game is not having a good night. The same can be said for some of the referees in the league. Is it time for change."
Where have you been? It's been this bad for the best part of a decade or more.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - 03/06/2017 21:43:01    1994124

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This line that Gaelic Football is very difficult to referee just does'nt wash anymore, it's not good enough at this stage. They need to start training referee's properly and paying them properly and i mean pay them big money, whatever it takes to up the standard. What say's it all for me is after the standard of refereeing in the Mayo v Kerry replay in Limerick in 2014 that Cormac Reilly is now back refereeing at the top level again

glasagusdhearg (Mayo) - 03/06/2017 22:00:54    1994133

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It is very easy to come down hard on ref's but you have to consider the following, there are a total of 7 officials on the pitch, there are 3 ref's at Inter-county games - 2 linesmen. Yet the umpires seem to have more power than the linesmen. It is time to utilise the two linesmen more there is no excuse for anyone being unsighted - they just need to be empowered more. But with that will come more stoppages, more slowdowns in play, you have to get the balance right. At the end of the day errors will be made you just hope they balance out.

arock (Dublin) - 03/06/2017 22:11:39    1994141

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Nothing done about refereeing even after Sluddengate.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - 03/06/2017 22:14:01    1994145

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The real crisis is the state of gaelic football.

Look at Sky Sports c talking about Carlow like they had won Sam.

Look at all the neck high tackles.

Look at the abuse of the officials.

Look at the gulf between the A and B counties.

The sport is now becoming embarrassing.

sponger (Wicklow) - 03/06/2017 22:14:35    1994146

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Replying To sponger:  "The real crisis is the state of gaelic football.

Look at Sky Sports c talking about Carlow like they had won Sam.

Look at all the neck high tackles.

Look at the abuse of the officials.

Look at the gulf between the A and B counties.

The sport is now becoming embarrassing."
Such a load of crap. The reason they were pressing Carlow was because it was one of the weakest teams in country putting it up to the best. A team with probably no hope of winning but still burst there ------- for 80 minutes. Imagine that was Kilkenny v Cavan or Roscommon hurlers out there tonight i am sure there would have been a lot more in the score difference would you come on shouting about the dire state of hurling then. Give over anyway way off topic

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - 03/06/2017 22:26:13    1994159

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Replying To sponger:  "The real crisis is the state of gaelic football.

Look at Sky Sports c talking about Carlow like they had won Sam.

Look at all the neck high tackles.

Look at the abuse of the officials.

Look at the gulf between the A and B counties.

The sport is now becoming embarrassing."
really, How many Carlow v Dublin Matches have you seen before. what was the fare on offer ? what was the final score ? . In previous years the likes of these games would never have been televised and none of us would be any the wiser.

s goldrick (Cavan) - 03/06/2017 23:05:16    1994178

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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Refereeing crisis
The standard of refereeing is at an all time low. Every game now there are major talking points about bad refereeing. Is it time we get refs to go professional as something needs to be done. The ref is this Carlow game is not having a good night. The same can be said for some of the referees in the league. Is it time for change.
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts:287 - 03/06/2017 20:26:47But is just get refs to turn professional really the answer if you want improvements??
Who pays for them??? Other than ref games what will they do? There is only so many matches they realistically can do.
What training do refs recieve? Do they get assessed? Monitored? Receive coaching/feedback from other referees??
Do referees in a division/county meet to discuss the rules of the game and where they need to improve?
Are referees videod so that they can see where they've went wrong and what they are doing well."

I don't know if it is the answer but something needs to be done. Some of the refereeing performances over last few years have been scandalous. If a players performance was as bad he would be dropped but refs are aloud go out do what they want at present ruin games ruin teams. I think having a TMO would slow the game down so much but when refs are not able to enforce the rules or do there job maybe that might be the way to go.
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts:291 - 03/06/2017 20:49:23
Thats quite unfair on referees when theyre not helped anywhere near enough. The GAA should employ 8-10 top inter county level or former inter county level referees who should act as referee development officers and they go around organising the coaching and development of referees at every level. All referees should have bi weekly or monthly meetings where they discuss rules, look at video clips on how to manage/ref certain situations.
Refs dont ruin teams or ruin games. Thats very unfair. Refs are not ALLOWED to do as they want and are regularly dropped from inter county games to just do club games at certain times of the year.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 03/06/2017 23:34:25    1994195

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Oh listen to yourselves. The Carlows,Wicklows, etc should not be playing Dublin...play at your own level instead of having 15 players behind the ball and conceding nearly 20 scores.

sponger (Wicklow) - 04/06/2017 07:52:16    1994231

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Replying To ormondbannerman: "Refereeing crisis
The standard of refereeing is at an all time low. Every game now there are major talking points about bad refereeing. Is it time we get refs to go professional as something needs to be done. The ref is this Carlow game is not having a good night. The same can be said for some of the referees in the league. Is it time for change.
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts:287 - 03/06/2017 20:26:47But is just get refs to turn professional really the answer if you want improvements??
Who pays for them??? Other than ref games what will they do? There is only so many matches they realistically can do.
What training do refs recieve? Do they get assessed? Monitored? Receive coaching/feedback from other referees??
Do referees in a division/county meet to discuss the rules of the game and where they need to improve?
Are referees videod so that they can see where they've went wrong and what they are doing well."

I don't know if it is the answer but something needs to be done. Some of the refereeing performances over last few years have been scandalous. If a players performance was as bad he would be dropped but refs are aloud go out do what they want at present ruin games ruin teams. I think having a TMO would slow the game down so much but when refs are not able to enforce the rules or do there job maybe that might be the way to go.
Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts:291 - 03/06/2017 20:49:23
Thats quite unfair on referees when theyre not helped anywhere near enough. The GAA should employ 8-10 top inter county level or former inter county level referees who should act as referee development officers and they go around organising the coaching and development of referees at every level. All referees should have bi weekly or monthly meetings where they discuss rules, look at video clips on how to manage/ref certain situations.
Refs dont ruin teams or ruin games. Thats very unfair. Refs are not ALLOWED to do as they want and are regularly dropped from inter county games to just do club games at certain times of the year."
i dont think they are dropped enough or pulled up on bad perfermance. I understand anyone can have a bad day but its a every week now where we see it.

Cormac reilly fair enough spent a year or two away after his nightmare in Limerick but the ref in last nights game will see plenty more action this year. the ref that done one of my own countys game against kerry in the league where McStay was ranting about it in his post match interview has been selected on the championship refs panel.

The least you should expect from a ref is him to be fair to both sides and sadly that is not happening in most games anymore. I agree with an above posted that linesmen should have more say. Look at the Tyrone game last weekend Donnelly elbowed or punched right in front of linesmans and nothing happened, camera goes to Deegan and hes running around smiling at players

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - 04/06/2017 08:31:01    1994237

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Replying To sponger:  "Oh listen to yourselves. The Carlows,Wicklows, etc should not be playing Dublin...play at your own level instead of having 15 players behind the ball and conceding nearly 20 scores."
No wonder Wicklow football is so bad when that is the attitude you have there. I am sure facing the Dubs last night meant more to the carlow footballers than any game over the last few years. Even the support they had it was a great evening for Carlow football

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - 04/06/2017 09:30:16    1994250

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The standard is truely awful. You just have to look at the championship panel of referee's most have been there years, they ignore the rules,referee what ever way the like and still come back and get the big games. Far two many referees have massive ego's and want the game to be about them. Some referees are down right biased. How many black cards are issued in wrong? How many times do the big teams get the rub of the green, it's the elephant in room that the gaa will not address. Players are sacrificing too much of their lives to be shafted by referees.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - 04/06/2017 10:05:59    1994263

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "The standard is truely awful. You just have to look at the championship panel of referee's most have been there years, they ignore the rules,referee what ever way the like and still come back and get the big games. Far two many referees have massive ego's and want the game to be about them. Some referees are down right biased. How many black cards are issued in wrong? How many times do the big teams get the rub of the green, it's the elephant in room that the gaa will not address. Players are sacrificing too much of their lives to be shafted by referees."
Thank you very much for editing my post so the standard of bias wasn't highlighted

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - 04/06/2017 10:26:51    1994272

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16 team A and B championship. Stop this farce right now. The weaker counties will never be
able to compete with the big guns.

I think that it is insulting to suggest that Carlow achieved anything last night, other than utter failure. If anything it sets back football back even further, if that is possible.

sponger (Wicklow) - 04/06/2017 14:21:44    1994423

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Worst thing about the sport at minute is officiating. Some of the frees last night on both sides were pathetic and all hoola ball oo surrounding Connolly touching a chest what's lost in all of this is the appalling decison by the linesman to somehow award a line ball to Carlow from a kickout going directly over the sideline. Until officials performances are highlighted and punished we won't see an improvement as they are under no pressure to get calls as the players are the main focus of attention after any incident.
players get frustrated by such poor calls

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 04/06/2017 14:31:37    1994428

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