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Replying To Jackpot: "Rathkenny will drop. Its good for Meath football for cillis to stay up. Alot of housing being built in cills parish. Likes of Rathkenny need to amalgamate to keep there good players playing at a good level." Theres nothing good when clubs have to amalgamate, its good that every locality or parish has their own club gives them identity.. Amalgamation waters the whole thing down.... I don't see your point about its good if colmcilles stay up, is it not good if rathkenny stay up??? preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 736 - 22/09/2019 16:13:34 2238280 Link
Replying To Jackpot: "Rathkenny will drop. Its good for Meath football for cillis to stay up. Alot of housing being built in cills parish. Likes of Rathkenny need to amalgamate to keep there good players playing at a good level." Complete nonsense. Will Longwood be out next week or will the CB give them a weeks rest? Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 22/09/2019 21:18:54 2238359 Link
Replying To Jackpot: "Rathkenny will drop. Its good for Meath football for cillis to stay up. Alot of housing being built in cills parish. Likes of Rathkenny need to amalgamate to keep there good players playing at a good level." The best team should stay up, it was the Rathkenny/Walterstown fiasco of years ago that was responsible for enlarging the Senior Championship to an unmanageable 17 team championship which in turn led to an 18 team championship and this fed through Intermediate as well which had the effect of diluting Intermediate and Junior Championships and an uncompetitive Senior Championship. Get the Senior and Intermediate championships back to 16 teams at most and Junior A at about 24 teams as soon as possible and no favouritism to be shown. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 22/09/2019 21:28:08 2238363 Link
Gaa is getting taken over by urban areas. The day of the country club is disappearing rapidly. Jackpot (Meath) - Posts: 199 - 23/09/2019 18:30:51 2238614 Link
Now that the Tones have survived it's being suggested Tony Kearney told the players in the dressing room after the game he was finished. Personally I think he should stay on. He has, after all, brought the Tones unprecedented success once again in securing the All Ireland Senior Comortas peil na Gaeltachta and another Div 1 league title also. The man that delivered the holy grail to Kilberry should get another year at least.......thoughts?? Dalriada (Meath) - Posts: 39 - 24/09/2019 21:06:50 2238899 Link
Yes he did deliver the holy grail..thirteen years ago. If tones adapt more to the modern game and get players in better physical condition they can be competitive again. The same can be said for a lot of other senior teams in meath. Dublin Senior clubs are a million miles ahead of the majority of senior teams in meath in terms or strength and conditioning, skill and the pace the game is played at. The players in those Dublin clubs are looking after themselves like inter county players in terms of their own individual preperation (e.g S&C, skills and nutrition) where as i believe a lot of clubs in meath are still doing the tried and trusted Tuesday and Thursday approach with players not doing much else in their own time. The proof is in the pudding and anyone who watches Meath club games and Dublin club games will see that. BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 24/09/2019 22:33:12 2238933 Link
Replying To Dalriada: "Now that the Tones have survived it's being suggested Tony Kearney told the players in the dressing room after the game he was finished. Personally I think he should stay on. He has, after all, brought the Tones unprecedented success once again in securing the All Ireland Senior Comortas peil na Gaeltachta and another Div 1 league title also. The man that delivered the holy grail to Kilberry should get another year at least.......thoughts??" In fairness to Tony , maybe he doesn't have the time to invest anymore It could be a lots of reasons -Personal life -Work -Sees players don't have the same drive and hunger as the team from 2004 - 2009 -Might think the current Players aren't of the same quality We can only speculate If he has handed in his hands , Im sure the choice was made a while ago and wasn't a snap decision crowleysyellowwristband (USA) - Posts: 15 - 25/09/2019 09:04:48 2238972 Link
Replying To crowleysyellowwristband: "In fairness to Tony , maybe he doesn't have the time to invest anymore It could be a lots of reasons -Personal life -Work -Sees players don't have the same drive and hunger as the team from 2004 - 2009 -Might think the current Players aren't of the same quality We can only speculate If he has handed in his hands , Im sure the choice was made a while ago and wasn't a snap decision" Tones have been very lucky to have a man of Tony Kearney involved with them for so long. And whatever decision he makes would and should be entirely his own. Sometimes a different voice is exactly what is needed in this instances. Unfortunatley for the tones the reality is that the younger players dont have the same commitment/attitude of the players who are finishing up. Corrigan was a massive loss for them this yr. Niall Mcloughlin is pushing on same can be said for Wardy, Harrington and Sheppard. All these lads are into the 30s now. They can go on for ever. The younger players are nice players in their own right but nice players dont win or compete at the business end if they dont have the right attitude. juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 25/09/2019 09:59:15 2238989 Link
Replying To juicy: "Tones have been very lucky to have a man of Tony Kearney involved with them for so long. And whatever decision he makes would and should be entirely his own. Sometimes a different voice is exactly what is needed in this instances. Unfortunatley for the tones the reality is that the younger players dont have the same commitment/attitude of the players who are finishing up. Corrigan was a massive loss for them this yr. Niall Mcloughlin is pushing on same can be said for Wardy, Harrington and Sheppard. All these lads are into the 30s now. They can go on for ever. The younger players are nice players in their own right but nice players dont win or compete at the business end if they dont have the right attitude." Surely someone who is retired has the time on their hands ??? Its all about perspective really, when it suits it is the manager thats not good enough (this was case between 09 and 16) but when that cap doesn't fit then the focus must shift to the players not being good enough. Talk of commitment of players and comparing 2004 to 2019 is comparing apples and oranges. Things have evolved and moved on greatly but some are stuck in a time warp, Tones younger players (of which only 6/7) are regulars were good enough to win Minor and U21 medals in past few years, what exactly is this attitude problem and where did it come from ?? Tones don't have a divine right to win anything but with the likes of Wardy, Sheppard, Niall mc Loughlin and Harro (who are both only coming back from serious injury) still being involved next term, and mixed in with the quality young talent in the club then there is no reason why the club cannot be competitive under a new manager. We head into the third decade of the millenium shortly, time to stop harking back to the first decade and move on. Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 25/09/2019 12:33:38 2239039 Link
Any Idea when Longwood play seneschalstown ?? grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 25/09/2019 13:25:56 2239068 Link
Replying To juicy: "Tones have been very lucky to have a man of Tony Kearney involved with them for so long. And whatever decision he makes would and should be entirely his own. Sometimes a different voice is exactly what is needed in this instances. Unfortunatley for the tones the reality is that the younger players dont have the same commitment/attitude of the players who are finishing up. Corrigan was a massive loss for them this yr. Niall Mcloughlin is pushing on same can be said for Wardy, Harrington and Sheppard. All these lads are into the 30s now. They can go on for ever. The younger players are nice players in their own right but nice players dont win or compete at the business end if they dont have the right attitude." There are some that would firmly disagree with you juicy. There's those that believe bringing Kearney back was a step backwards due his somewhat old style approach. It's widely known he didn't have faith in the youth of the club more so putting his all into the old dogs like Corrigan, McLoughlin, David O'Neill etc. I'm also not sure its his own choice but that's neither here nor there. Previous managers were measured on championship results as opposed to league titles so perhaps its no different with Kearney. Theres one thing I don't agree with and that's people saying the 06 triumph wasn't much to do with him despite the accolade's, it was down to his backroom team, supposedly 3 astute lads that stepped down in 07/08, not sure myself. Still think he should get another chance if he has the hunger for it Dalriada (Meath) - Posts: 39 - 25/09/2019 15:03:56 2239107 Link
Replying To grahamc9897: "Any Idea when Longwood play seneschalstown ??" Sunday week jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 25/09/2019 15:37:50 2239122 Link
Interesting discussion on Kearney and the tones here lads. Given the rise in importance of managers in the last few years we seem to know very little about any of them. Tony Kearney is undoubtably a good manager , seems to be very passionate on the sidelines and the sight of him hunched down on his hunkers surveying the match on the sidelines is nearly iconic in meath gaa. He won the tones their one and only keegan cup and will rightly be remembered a legend for that. The game moves on though and it is getting harder and harder for rural clubs to reach the top (the last 5 keegan cups have went to big urban centres). The Tones have had good underage recently though and still have the nucleus of a good team. This year they had a poor year by their standards obviously in that they barely stayed up in the league and were in relagation play-off (although if they won there last game against na fianna or there 1st against simonstown 1 point defeat they would be in the quarter finals) I think personally they have a better team than this years results suggest so naturally questions will be asked of either management or players or both. From talking to Tones player down through the years not one of them has honestly ever ran down the management and usually are adamant that Kearney is a magician. I often took from those chats though that the Tones set-up sounded a bit oldschool to other clubs that i had either seen or heard about. It came across that Kearney is all about motivating his players and playing there own game and not focussing on opposition. Now i could be way off the mark but maybe that worked brilliantly with the old guard and a young hungry team only up from back to back promotions but in this day and age doesnt work as well with the younger players who have been involved in county set-ups underage and senior and Colleges football with massive universities and have seen the more modern methods. I'd imagine there is an interesting dynamic in the tones dressing room with the very much so rural old school agricultural old guard and the new younger more cosmopolitan young guns. (im not saying a divide ive always been told they have a strong bond as a squad and have never heard of rifts or anything in the camp). They have good young talent coming through and lads with plenty of football left in them and are thankfully a rural club that i think will buck the trend and stay competitive and possibly win more silverware in the future. I hope they do because they are a great honest rural club with a good community spirit and who also do a lot to promote our native language. It will be interesting to see what happens over the winter. Meathmaverick (Meath) - Posts: 106 - 25/09/2019 16:39:25 2239141 Link
No surprises so far with St Patricks and Rathkenny going down. Expect Longwood to make the drop too highlighting the gap between Senior and Intermediate. AnFearBan1234 (Meath) - Posts: 110 - 28/09/2019 13:29:18 2239822 Link
Replying To Analyst: "Surely someone who is retired has the time on their hands ??? Its all about perspective really, when it suits it is the manager thats not good enough (this was case between 09 and 16) but when that cap doesn't fit then the focus must shift to the players not being good enough. Talk of commitment of players and comparing 2004 to 2019 is comparing apples and oranges. Things have evolved and moved on greatly but some are stuck in a time warp, Tones younger players (of which only 6/7) are regulars were good enough to win Minor and U21 medals in past few years, what exactly is this attitude problem and where did it come from ?? Tones don't have a divine right to win anything but with the likes of Wardy, Sheppard, Niall mc Loughlin and Harro (who are both only coming back from serious injury) still being involved next term, and mixed in with the quality young talent in the club then there is no reason why the club cannot be competitive under a new manager. We head into the third decade of the millenium shortly, time to stop harking back to the first decade and move on." I am not sure about apple and oranges!. We all know that 2004 is different than 2019, but I have seen the Tones quite a few times in 2017 and 2018. In 2018 the best Tones player by along shot was McLoughlin (along with other older players) and I do not think the time warp between 2018 and 2019 is great. Quite a few young supporters of all teams and indeed players talk about how football has moved on. It has moved on but not for the supporters who watch these games with all this back and side passing and nobody prepared to take responsibility. Gym work appears to now be the key even though the ball has not changed much. Some basics have not changed like, work rate, ability to wind possession, man mark/tackle, being able to make good decisions and being able to execute those decisions with skill. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 28/09/2019 15:00:52 2239832 Link
Replying To browncows: "I am not sure about apple and oranges!. We all know that 2004 is different than 2019, but I have seen the Tones quite a few times in 2017 and 2018. In 2018 the best Tones player by along shot was McLoughlin (along with other older players) and I do not think the time warp between 2018 and 2019 is great. Quite a few young supporters of all teams and indeed players talk about how football has moved on. It has moved on but not for the supporters who watch these games with all this back and side passing and nobody prepared to take responsibility. Gym work appears to now be the key even though the ball has not changed much. Some basics have not changed like, work rate, ability to wind possession, man mark/tackle, being able to make good decisions and being able to execute those decisions with skill." I agree with the latter part of your post, just to clarify a couple of points though, Niall mc Loughlin was injured for a lot of 2018 and whilst as always he was one of the key performers, i would say that Callaghan was the best player over the year, when i ssid about apples and oranges i was referring to perceived player commitment and comparing it now to 2004. There is far more commitment required nowadays for all players. Years ago it was train twice a week. Maybe a few pints after training and then a few on Saturday night. There are a lot more distractions, and opportunities for young people these days so its important that management create a good positive environment around the club where players are respected and challenged. Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 28/09/2019 20:26:07 2239886 Link
Analyst (Meath) - I do agree with you about the training required nowadays-it appears now at the level of what county training used to be 30 years ago (I had my years incorrect should have said 2016/17). Not sure that all the training has helped a lot with one negative result being all the injuries at both club and county level, especially the number of serious knee injuries. Football has got to the stage that you need to be in a certain category of job to compete and commit. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 29/09/2019 13:29:33 2240021 Link
Seneschalstown should have way too much for Longwood. Hope this comment doesn't offend anybody..... Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 06/10/2019 09:27:52 2241567 Link
Replying To Analyst: "Seneschalstown should have way too much for Longwood. Hope this comment doesn't offend anybody....." Why has the game been brought to clonard for a 12:00pm throw in? Is there seriously no other pitch half way that could have hosted this game, also at a more suitable time. BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 06/10/2019 11:10:06 2241579 Link
Wow looks like Seneschalstown had to pull it out of the bag. Looked like they were going down with 5 minutes to go. Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 06/10/2019 15:02:56 2241600 Link