Poor error by the Celt

Goodluck to Arva and Cootehill on Sunday.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 31/10/2014 17:51:34    1668729

only the gaels left from Cavan now..with Cross and Gall's gone, every team will fancy their chances

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1680 - 02/11/2014 17:27:31    1669042

disastrous day.. we need to look ourselves club football not good enough

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 194 - 02/11/2014 17:27:57    1669044

Failure by the 2 cavan club sides today yet again - Cootehill should have won against a poor inniskeen side who won a poor championsip in Monaghan

FrankAnnyalla (Monaghan) - Posts: 339 - 02/11/2014 17:27:58    1669045

I suppose you could say if ever the gales are going to win ulster this is their year but one problem they are no good either so no senior team will worry about them.
Arva were totally out of their level today despite leading by 4 at half time there was only going to be one winner. If this was a refection on the standard in Cavan well we are in deep s**i. I hear Cootehill were very unlucky.

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 02/11/2014 18:04:54    1669060

the scary thing was this arva team are heading for divison 1b?? yet that cant win a match in a junior championship..

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 194 - 02/11/2014 18:20:18    1669070

Mowbar I was at that game in Breffni.

There wasn't that much in it but Arva were far too young and light for Urris. Arva were missing three key players including the big men Morris and Sheridan and it showed in midfield where they were bossed around in the 2nd half. That said they created 5 goal chances to 3 for Urris and that tells its own story. I don't see where you're coming from on this. You can't make a team older than it is and in fairness Arva played some great attacking football at times. They just didn't have any old heads to steady the ship when the pressure came on against the wind in the 2nd half. Why are you so keen to put down Cavan teams?

RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 02/11/2014 18:52:38    1669105

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I watched all this match and at no stage did Arva show any signs they would win even before they conceded the first goal by a very poor defensive error having a great lead destroyed by this stupid error . Be honest they were completely out of their comfort zone. Take the first half it took them 12 minuets to realise they had to kick long balls into their forwards with a strong wind behind them now thats a long time to realise this don't you think or was I watching a different match. I fancied Arva to do well in Ulster but this I can tell you was a rude awakening for me. I have to say I fancied Cootehill and they are gone now also. It might be good for Cavan Gaels for I don't fancy them at all.

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 02/11/2014 20:04:20    1669146

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You're entitled to you opinion Mowbar and I respect that.

It was mostly neutrals around where we were and we were all agreed that Arva looked more like a Minor/U-21 team than an adult team.
We agreed as well that they played some lovely football and are an all-out attacking team so they leave gaps at the back and they were punished yesterday.
You can't make up for experience at Ulster level and that was the only difference we saw. Arva supporters told us they were short 3 key players and a few others were carrying injuries from last week but had to line out anyway because the panel is so small. I think when you add the celebrations last week on winning the League Division 2 you could say in fairness that they weren't at their best yesterday. So you couldnt say that Junior Football in Cavan is miles behind Donegal. Urris made heavy work of winning it even as things were. I saw Arva a bit in the last two years and they look like a team that will do well if they can hold on to their players but like other small clubs they may not.
I had high hopes that Cootehill would do well but it sounds like a hard-luck story yet again.

RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 03/11/2014 13:33:27    1669344

"mowbar
County: Cavan
Posts: 77


I watched all this match and at no stage did Arva show any signs they would win even before they conceded the first goal by a very poor defensive error having a great lead destroyed by this stupid error . Be honest they were completely out of their comfort zone. Take the first half it took them 12 minuets to realise they had to kick long balls into their forwards with a strong wind behind them now thats a long time to realise this don't you think or was I watching a different match. I fancied Arva to do well in Ulster but this I can tell you was a rude awakening for me. I have to say I fancied Cootehill and they are gone now also. It might be good for Cavan Gaels for I don't fancy them at all."

Mowbar did you not think Arva would win when they were 8 points to 1 up just before half time, they had hit the crossbar and missed at least 2 other guilt edge goal chances. They lost their way in second half during the atrocious weather conditions they were playing into. Neither team scored for last 11 mins and had arva being a bit more composed they could have at least forced a draw. As they were missing 2 of their main players and a few carrying knocks. Disappointed by the negative comments here about Arva and Cootehill but not suprised.

cavan4ever (Cavan) - Posts: 234 - 03/11/2014 16:01:09    1669417

Disappointing results alright. The Ulster under 21 titles and 1 Minor title have been good, but to be a real force at County level needs the Clubs need to be doing well in Ulster too.

Monaghan clubs are strong at all levels. Clontibret beating Kilcoo in Newry and Galls yesterday , Truagh winning Ulster Intermediate last year and Emmyavle winning Ulster Junior last year too.

Arva are a running team with pace like Cootehill, conditons yesterday wouldnt have helped, still frustrating.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 03/11/2014 16:16:50    1669425

FoolsGold I'd agree fully with your comments.

It's hard to believe that the record in Ulster is so poor over the years though we came close a few times.
Definitely the playing conditions yesterday were atrocious in Breffni in the second half and probably in Clones as well.
From what I've seen of Arva and Cootehill there's no way that would suit either team and they were both a joy to watch
when conditions were better. However the club championship is played in winter basically so if you haven't a big physical team
that can play a bit of good football as well you're not going anywhere. From memory, teams like Swad and Ballinagh who did win titles
had a bunch of players that could mix it up whatever the conditions.

I'm still not convinced about the club championship reflecting the county status. Antrim produced some great club performances both
in football and hurling but it never showed at county level. Clare and Limerick clubs won Munster titles but nothing much happened at
county level. Kerry haven't won a club football All-Ireland since the mid nineties - makes you wonder

RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 03/11/2014 19:24:54    1669480

Agree Foolsgold. We need a serious re-think when it comes to club football in Cavan. You'd have to wonder how Monaghan teams fare reasonably well outside of the county and ours are so poor. Personally I think we have too many clubs in Cavan. It's a tough one because obviously club pride is paramount and all of that, but yesterday the 10th best team in Monaghan played the 16th best team in Cavan. We're perennially hindered. What do you think?

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 03/11/2014 19:46:54    1669486

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1669480 FoolsGold I'd agree fully with your comments.

It's hard to believe that the record in Ulster is so poor over the years though we came close a few times.
Definitely the playing conditions yesterday were atrocious in Breffni in the second half and probably in Clones as well.
From what I've seen of Arva and Cootehill there's no way that would suit either team and they were both a joy to watch
when conditions were better. However the club championship is played in winter basically so if you haven't a big physical team
that can play a bit of good football as well you're not going anywhere. From memory, teams like Swad and Ballinagh who did win titles
had a bunch of players that could mix it up whatever the conditions.

I'm still not convinced about the club championship reflecting the county status. Antrim produced some great club performances both
in football and hurling but it never showed at county level. Clare and Limerick clubs won Munster titles but nothing much happened at
county level. Kerry haven't won a club football All-Ireland since the mid nineties - makes you wonder


Swad were beaten by 5 points in the final that year, but due to Corduff fielding a 16 year old in the second half Swanlinbar were handed the title. Lavey had a good side in 09 beaten in the final by Cookstown who went on to win the All Ireland asaik.

I think some clusb like Galls, doing well and not replacting that at Co level is because some of the better Galls players don't commit to County football for some reason. Clare are competiting against Cork and Kerry in Munster still hard to follow that through at County, after Kilmurrays success. Clare reached the Munster final in 2010 the same year Kilmurray reached the All Ireland club and were well beaten by Cork.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 04/11/2014 09:36:12    1669533

Kerry clubs have been thereabouts despite not winning an All Ireland Crokes have been strong in Munstr for a the last 5/6 years, wont be involved this year. Finuge reached the All Ireland Intermediate final in 2013,and Finuge were beaten in the All Ireland Junior final in 2013 too

Ned Stormcrow yeah there probaly is too many clubs in Cavan. Far too many teams alone in Senior championshp this year and last year , 17 Clubs.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 04/11/2014 11:52:03    1669574

*Kenmare beaten in All Ireland Junior final 2013

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 04/11/2014 11:57:07    1669577

I don't honestly know what to make of it all.
The more stats you look at the more confusing it gets.
Maybe we do have too many clubs but how would you go about changing that? Arva is an example - there's three clubs in that parish(Killeshandra) they are Arva, Cornafean and Killeshandra. You'd fancy that the three amalgamated would produce a fairly formidable senior team but I'm told there's not a chance though they did play as St. Josephs a few times in the senior championship.

Clubs are a very important part of rural life in Cavan and each has a lot of pride in itself. I can't see any easy answer

RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 05/11/2014 10:43:34    1669777

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1669777
I don't honestly know what to make of it all.
The more stats you look at the more confusing it gets.
Maybe we do have too many clubs but how would you go about changing that? Arva is an example - there's three clubs in that parish(Killeshandra) they are Arva, Cornafean and Killeshandra. You'd fancy that the three amalgamated would produce a fairly formidable senior team but I'm told there's not a chance though they did play as St. Josephs a few times in the senior championship.

Clubs are a very important part of rural life in Cavan and each has a lot of pride in itself. I can't see any easy answer,


There are to many Senior teams in the senior championship. I would have at most 8 teams and have 16 in intermediate and 16 in Junior. There are too many teams way out of their depth in the level they are playing at. Our club standard is not better than Monaghan and they only have 8 senior teams.
Kill won the junior last year played intermediate this year hammmerd in both games and relegated again. There is a lot of Yoyo going on in the ranks below.

evano11 (Cavan) - Posts: 265 - 05/11/2014 11:17:10    1669787

10 senior teams in Monaghan. Clontibret won the Monaghan senior championship and there is three teams in the Parish and only one National School in Clontibret catchment area. So doesn't always tell the tale.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 05/11/2014 12:30:42    1669812

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1669812
10 senior teams in Monaghan. Clontibret won the Monaghan senior championship and there is three teams in the Parish and only one National School in Clontibret catchment area. So doesn't always tell the tale.

Four teams in Cavan town parish Three playing senior one intermediate. In reality only one is off senior standard.
8 Senior Teams in cavan in my opnion would be Kingscourt,Cavan Gaels, Mullahoran, Ballinagh,Ramor, Castlerahern,Lacken,Lavey

evano11 (Cavan) - Posts: 265 - 05/11/2014 12:47:02    1669819