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Wexford Hurling thread 2024

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Replying To Viking66:  "We have only got to play the best or 2nd best team in Munster in most of the years since that. In 2017 we only lost twice, to the 2 AI finalists that year. In 2018 we lost to Clare who finished 2nd in the Munster Round Robin losing only 1 game. In 2019 we narrowly lost to Tipp who were unbeaten in the Munster Round Robin and topped the table that year. 2020 we lost to Waterford who were runners up in Munster that year. 2021 we lost to Clare by a single score, 2022 we again lost narrowly to the Munster Round Robin table toppers. We dont get to play the teams who are #### in Munster in any given year. Only the best or 2nd best teams."
But at the same time, not one of the 5 Munster counties currently would lose a championship game to Dublin, Antrim or Westmeath which Wexford have done in the past 12 months.
Cork and Tipp are looking likely to be the bottom 2 in Munster this year. Would anyone here think that Carlow (no disrespect) would have a hope of beating Cork or Tipp currently??
Majority of hurling people would be giving Carlow every chance against this Wexford team.
I think that's the gap the poster is referring to maybe?

Avondhu86 (Cork) - Posts: 2 - 30/04/2024 19:53:24    2542062

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Replying To Avondhu86:  "But at the same time, not one of the 5 Munster counties currently would lose a championship game to Dublin, Antrim or Westmeath which Wexford have done in the past 12 months.
Cork and Tipp are looking likely to be the bottom 2 in Munster this year. Would anyone here think that Carlow (no disrespect) would have a hope of beating Cork or Tipp currently??
Majority of hurling people would be giving Carlow every chance against this Wexford team.
I think that's the gap the poster is referring to maybe?"
That's the thing with us. We have no killer instinct against the so called lesser teams.

Richie Hogan put it very well. We're either very good or rubbish. Nothing in the middle.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2749 - 30/04/2024 21:09:45    2542074

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Don't want to burst any bubbles but Wexford need to focus on beating Carlow in Carlow which is no given.
Win over Galway or Kilkenny a bonus but that game is going to decide the future of Wexford hurling."
You are missing the point. The Galway game comes first. Win that and Wexford are back in the hunt for a top 3 place. Yes, lose and the Carlow game potentially is a relegation play-off.
But we have to play the games in the order they face us.
There's a difference in being realistic about where things are and defeatism. Galway aren't unbeatable, and Dublin/Antrim is also hard to call.

wendellgee (Wexford) - Posts: 26 - 30/04/2024 21:18:34    2542077

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Don't want to burst any bubbles but Wexford need to focus on beating Carlow in Carlow which is no given.
Win over Galway or Kilkenny a bonus but that game is going to decide the future of Wexford hurling."
You are missing the point. The Galway game comes first. Win that and Wexford are back in the hunt for a top 3 place. Yes, lose and the Carlow game potentially is a relegation play-off.
But we have to play the games in the order they face us.
There's a difference in being realistic about where things are and defeatism. Galway aren't unbeatable, and Dublin/Antrim is also hard to call.

wendellgee (Wexford) - Posts: 26 - 30/04/2024 21:31:57    2542080

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Don't think Dee will be fit unfortunately . Kevin could be good option sitting back but needs to up his game too"
He does. Might be better facing the game was what I was thinking

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 30/04/2024 21:48:14    2542085

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Replying To Avondhu86:  "But at the same time, not one of the 5 Munster counties currently would lose a championship game to Dublin, Antrim or Westmeath which Wexford have done in the past 12 months.
Cork and Tipp are looking likely to be the bottom 2 in Munster this year. Would anyone here think that Carlow (no disrespect) would have a hope of beating Cork or Tipp currently??
Majority of hurling people would be giving Carlow every chance against this Wexford team.
I think that's the gap the poster is referring to maybe?"
In 2022 Antrim were at Joe McDonagh level and Cork came 3rd in Munster and when they met in the preliminary q-final for long periods in that game there was only a point or two in it, but Cork did pull away near the end to win by 10.

Antrim are at Liam McCarthy level now and I'd say Cork have gone backwards since 2022 so i would think Antrim would give Cork plenty of it if they met this year.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 745 - 30/04/2024 21:48:55    2542086

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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin:  "But we haven't beaten any of those Munster teams that the top 2 in Leinster have…..and we haven't beaten Galway either. We'll take our results v Tier 1 hurling counties since that win v Cork in 2016
2017 lost to Waterford, 2018 lost to Clare, 2019 lost to Tipp, 2020 lost to Clare, 2021 lost to Clare, 2022 lost to Clare, 2023 get out of Leinster.
2017, 2018, 2020, 2023 lost to Galway
2019, 2022 drew to Galway
2018, 2021 lost to Kilkenny
2017, 2019, 2022, 2023 beat Kilkenny
2019 drew with Kilkenny
2018 beat Dublin
2019, 2024 drew with Dublin
2022, 2023 lost to Dublin.
Didn't play Limerick or Cork in that time period but whatever about Cork, I don't think we'd have gotten a win v Limerick, maybe 2017 we could've beaten Limerick but not after that.
So 5 wins from 24 games v Top tier opposition with 4 of those wins v Kilkenny, which in itself is on mad outlier, and 1 win v Dublin and of course the few losses and draw to Antrim and Westmeath.
Well we were a puck of a ball from going down Joe Mac last year and staring down the barrel of another possible relegation battle so no I don't think we would've have. You're kinda treating narrow losses as some kind of victory. 2019 semi and 2022 quarter final only time we looked like winning any of those games v Munster teams and still found ways to loose them.
But happy to debate this, makes the evening entertaining, all entitled to our views. I just think that overall standard of Munster has improved due to round robin whereas Leinster probably has gotten a bit lower, albeit it has improved the Joe McDonagh teams and done a whole lot more for growing hurling in Ireland than anything Munster has done even with its great games to watch. Open to hearing all arguments against it but need proof. Numbers don't lie"
The numbers don't lie. Nearly every year in the Munster Round Robin there have been weak teams. We haven't played any of these because they haven't got out of it, or they finished 3rd and were on the other side of the draw. We have played the team that has either finished 1st or 2nd in the Munster Round Robin every year there has been a round robin. Galway have only played the 3rd placed teams. They haven't beaten a top 2 team from a Munster Round Robin in the last few years either, same as us. 6 of the starters against Kilkenny played in the Walsh Cup final, and Niland and Grealish came on at the weekend too. That's 8 lads who tbh didn't look great either day. We have even won Leinster more recently than Galway.
If you look at Galways record since the start of the 2019 season there's nothing that special about it either. 2019 and 2021 they were poor, as we were in 2020 and 2023. Their record against Dublin wouldn't be much better than ours, played 4, won one, drawn one, and lost two. And their record against Kilkenny is significantly worse.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 30/04/2024 22:07:01    2542091

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "Rightly or wrongly, I can't see Duggan displacing Fanning so here's what I would go with:

Fanning
Shane Reck
Jippo
Murphy
Damien Reck
MOH
Devitt
Hearne
Conor Foley
Jacko
Chin
Richie Lawlor
Casey
ROC
Cian Byrne

Not a big full-forward line so *should* in theory make us play low ball in, having Chin out the field encourages the running game"
I could live with that team. Maybe Mikey instead of Jacko for his workrate.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 30/04/2024 22:09:02    2542095

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Replying To Avondhu86:  "But at the same time, not one of the 5 Munster counties currently would lose a championship game to Dublin, Antrim or Westmeath which Wexford have done in the past 12 months.
Cork and Tipp are looking likely to be the bottom 2 in Munster this year. Would anyone here think that Carlow (no disrespect) would have a hope of beating Cork or Tipp currently??
Majority of hurling people would be giving Carlow every chance against this Wexford team.
I think that's the gap the poster is referring to maybe?"
I'd give Carlow every chance too. But I'd give us the same chance as I'd give Carlow if we were playing against Cork or Tipp tbh.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 30/04/2024 22:10:28    2542097

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Replying To Past hurler:  "In 2022 Antrim were at Joe McDonagh level and Cork came 3rd in Munster and when they met in the preliminary q-final for long periods in that game there was only a point or two in it, but Cork did pull away near the end to win by 10.

Antrim are at Liam McCarthy level now and I'd say Cork have gone backwards since 2022 so i would think Antrim would give Cork plenty of it if they met this year."
Think so too. Especially in Corrigan Park.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 30/04/2024 22:11:12    2542098

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Don't want to burst any bubbles but Wexford need to focus on beating Carlow in Carlow which is no given.
Win over Galway or Kilkenny a bonus but that game is going to decide the future of Wexford hurling."
Completely illogical, Carlow game 2 weeks after the Galway will be massive regardless of Saturday's result.

Ye will need your guard up for Antrim, drew in Corrigan last year, I'd have ye slight favourites but wouldn't be putting the mortgage on ye.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 30/04/2024 23:50:49    2542116

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Replying To Viking66:  "I could live with that team. Maybe Mikey instead of Jacko for his workrate."
To get the balance right viking I would definitely play Jacko. He's big and strong and might cope better with the Galway defence.i know you will say that he doesn't always turn up but we can't afford to have 5 out of 6 forwards on the
Small side. Casey, Byrne,Rory, Mikey
and Richie are all good hurlers but they may well be outmusseled by the stronger Galway backs.
I would say Jacko would be more than anxious to get stuck in and on a good day he can score a few points. Not often enough of course but I believe he's the man who could give Galway plenty to think about.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 01/05/2024 00:07:06    2542122

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Replying To Magpie2:  "To get the balance right viking I would definitely play Jacko. He's big and strong and might cope better with the Galway defence.i know you will say that he doesn't always turn up but we can't afford to have 5 out of 6 forwards on the
Small side. Casey, Byrne,Rory, Mikey
and Richie are all good hurlers but they may well be outmusseled by the stronger Galway backs.
I would say Jacko would be more than anxious to get stuck in and on a good day he can score a few points. Not often enough of course but I believe he's the man who could give Galway plenty to think about."
It's just so frustrating not knowing which Jacko will turn up.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 01/05/2024 07:49:38    2542136

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I hope we name the starting 15 that actually start the game when its named tomorrow or Friday. To me it gives an air of confidence this is the 15 we are going with and we are confident they are good enough to win. Also I think its unfair to lads named in the starting 15 who aren't starting and are forced to lie to their friends and family when they wish them good luck.

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 164 - 01/05/2024 09:41:03    2542160

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It is vital in my opinion that Wexford people turn out in force on Saturday.
I have no drink on board this time and I won't go all passionate about it as the stakes are not quite as high but I believe people think it will just happen that Wexford will stay up. I don't believe that is a given and an angry performance from the team on Saturday has to be the minimum. But also Wexford support need to get out and back them and give them the support they need.
If we can get some result on Saturday, who knows. But we need to support the team. I will be back for the Kilkenny game and hope there is something at stake in the right way.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1741 - 01/05/2024 09:42:23    2542161

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "It is vital in my opinion that Wexford people turn out in force on Saturday.
I have no drink on board this time and I won't go all passionate about it as the stakes are not quite as high but I believe people think it will just happen that Wexford will stay up. I don't believe that is a given and an angry performance from the team on Saturday has to be the minimum. But also Wexford support need to get out and back them and give them the support they need.
If we can get some result on Saturday, who knows. But we need to support the team. I will be back for the Kilkenny game and hope there is something at stake in the right way."
Saturdays game is huge we need players management and supporters to deliver. Galway are a good team but by no means unbeatable. I would worry about a big crowd going as I said in previous post I know more lads going to Croke park than Wexford park on Saturday and these are lads that regularly attend Wexford games. The mood is low in the county at present. We need a huge performance on Saturday to kick start our summer and give us a chance of progressing. I dread to think of another relegation play off again which is what the Carlow game will be if we lose Saturday.

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 164 - 01/05/2024 09:57:16    2542164

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Saturdays game is huge we need players management and supporters to deliver. Galway are a good team but by no means unbeatable. I would worry about a big crowd going as I said in previous post I know more lads going to Croke park than Wexford park on Saturday and these are lads that regularly attend Wexford games. The mood is low in the county at present. We need a huge performance on Saturday to kick start our summer and give us a chance of progressing. I dread to think of another relegation play off again which is what the Carlow game will be if we lose Saturday."
That's extremely disappointing given we've both minors and seniors out.

I'm skipping a family wedding to attend. Have to bring the young fella in the pram though which could be touch and go.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2749 - 01/05/2024 10:32:24    2542173

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Replying To Viking66:  "The numbers don't lie. Nearly every year in the Munster Round Robin there have been weak teams. We haven't played any of these because they haven't got out of it, or they finished 3rd and were on the other side of the draw. We have played the team that has either finished 1st or 2nd in the Munster Round Robin every year there has been a round robin. Galway have only played the 3rd placed teams. They haven't beaten a top 2 team from a Munster Round Robin in the last few years either, same as us. 6 of the starters against Kilkenny played in the Walsh Cup final, and Niland and Grealish came on at the weekend too. That's 8 lads who tbh didn't look great either day. We have even won Leinster more recently than Galway.
If you look at Galways record since the start of the 2019 season there's nothing that special about it either. 2019 and 2021 they were poor, as we were in 2020 and 2023. Their record against Dublin wouldn't be much better than ours, played 4, won one, drawn one, and lost two. And their record against Kilkenny is significantly worse."
Well we haven't played Limerick in any of those years so I wouldn't say we've ever played the no.1 ranked team in Munster. If that's the case Galway would be no.1 Leinster team for the last few years yet it is Kilkenny who've won the Leinster titles. You're some man to clutch at straws and pull positives out of it. Galway have been poor enough but they're still getting to all Ireland semi finals and Leinster finals. I'd gladly take their last few years over ours. I don't think it's a particularly great Kilkenny team but we've never played them in a Leinster final cus we don't get there. Galway's round robin record is they've never lost to Kilkenny but that amounts to nothing at the end of the day, as have our results v Kilkenny really…especially when you're loosing to Antrim and Westmeath. We haven't to a Leinster final since 2019, Kilkenny, Galway and Dublin have. We've been very stagnant and have gotten a whole lot worse since. Such a loser mentality in Wexford, "ah we didn't get hammered", we've become such an afterthought in the all Ireland series. I don't this generation of lads have ever gotten over 2019 and a lot of fans haven't either, should've been the start of something but became the peak. I think Rossiter is a good man and good manager in a lot of ways but I think this goes deeper than just who ever manages them. Do agree wholly with you with how psychologist is badly needed for teams in Wexford, used to be how couldn't win big games but now it seems to be games we should be winning are as big a problem or tbh just winning games at all.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 271 - 01/05/2024 10:40:07    2542177

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Saturdays game is huge we need players management and supporters to deliver. Galway are a good team but by no means unbeatable. I would worry about a big crowd going as I said in previous post I know more lads going to Croke park than Wexford park on Saturday and these are lads that regularly attend Wexford games. The mood is low in the county at present. We need a huge performance on Saturday to kick start our summer and give us a chance of progressing. I dread to think of another relegation play off again which is what the Carlow game will be if we lose Saturday."
Irrespective of support the team have to deliver, even long time supporters are struggling to stay the course as its just so bloody painful, like you have to question why we do this to ourselves! If they have anything in them now is the time to show it, step up and deliver, supporters have pumped significant money into this team and Wexford GAA as whole and we need to see some return. Getting beaten last week was one thing, but getting outworked and beaten is sickening/unacceptable. Seeing the same failings again and again is too, bombing long balls down lost us the 2019 AI semi final and here we are 5 years later same players doing the same thing - how/why?? I'll be there but hope the team turn up too. In Chin, Cian Byrne, ROC and Mac we have some sensational forwards but have we ever played where each had come near to their potential (in the same game).

No more excuses, they have to believe, to want it more, to work harder, we're at home, its championship, the year is NOT over, time to preform. Up Wexford.

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 63 - 01/05/2024 10:53:22    2542181

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Here's a scenario albeit borderline conspiracy theory.
Say Carlow and Galway beat Wexford. Us and Galway beat Antrim.
On the last day, if Antrim and Carlow are both out of contention for 3rd place they could agree to draw the game, sending Wexford down. Even if Wexford beat one of Galway or Kilkenny, they will only have 3 pts and would lose out to Carlow and Antrim on a head to head.
Winning v Carlow is non-negotiable for Wexford.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1144 - 01/05/2024 10:57:16    2542182

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