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Wexford Hurling thread 2024

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Frustration is understandable but this is not constructive.

Haven't the players is an easy excuse and frankly illogical.

We were a puck of a ball away in the last two under 20 championships.

There are players. The next stage of development is what we seem to be missing.

We haven't converted enough of the minor team from 19 either.

We need to get more of those lads up the level faster than we have been.

To be fair, Egan tried this last year and Rossi in the League. This is the Davy hangover. As depressing as it is , complaining about it or giving up won't help.

Realistically we need replacements for fanning, MOH, Chinner, Dee, mogie and Mac fairly quickly.

I'm particularly disappointed that Kyle scallan, conal Clancy, conal flood and seamie o Hagan aren't involved at the minute."
Fanning was replaced last year. He's been a good dedicated man to the Wexford cause but takes too long over puckouts, and doesn't seem to be able to deliver them with any great accuracy. Haven't seen Mac play consistently well for Wexford in I'd say at least 5 years.
Scallan and Clancy I'm not sure have what it takes at intercounty level tbh. Flood has hurling to burn but, a bit like Joe O Connor who likewise is very skilful, isn't particularly strong when the ball is 50/50, and also like Joe just hasn't got any better at doing the dirty work over the last few years. Seamie O Hagan was in the panel at the start of the year. Did OK in the Byrne Cup for TUD without standing out though. At u20 he was superb in the LSF in Nowlan Park, but pretty average in the rest of the games.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 29/04/2024 13:50:58    2541485

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Replying To wexford2012:  "I won't pass judgment on your suggestions BUT will say I totally agree that doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is madness. We have to be brutally honest with ourselves too something is not right and for those who think 'it will come right' over time, just look at Kildare, Meath, Cavan to name a few big football counties who are sinking, passed by the likes of Derry, Monaghan. Some of the same malaise is detectable (Dublin are what Kilkenny were in Lienster hurling for 20 odd years) and I believe massive hammering impact a counties psychology. They are also probably living in the past on past glories. None of them can blame hurling.

Can a county nominate a club to progress to the Leinster club championship? If so lets just put the previous years winners forward and ignore it as any sort of deadline for our club games."
Can't nominate the previous winners for leister championship.

And the motion to forego participation in the leinster club championships was brought forward by the county board and fairly unanimously rejected by the clubs.

For what it's worth I would have no issue with foregoing participation in the leinster club championships if it meant having a better club championship but take it from me the clubs are the biggest barrier to any substantial change within wexford to the extent I'd be quite happy if we gave the county board more power over things like this.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1354 - 29/04/2024 13:51:58    2541486

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Replying To bystanderbill:  "I honestly think we are going through a 'changing of the guard' phase with respect to hurling and football similar to what we had in the period 2006 to 2012.
Looking at it I think the footballers are on a rise. I wouldn't be surprised to see the as serious contenders for the Tailteann cup. (with a bit of composure the could have beaten Louth and made a Leinster final which would have put them competing for Sam Maguire this year). Anyway the footballers will be in the Championship longer this year than the hurlers.
I do think they are on the rise and that would then sway it that some of the Dual players might jump the other way If Wexford are making the Sam Maguire playing the likes of Kerry Derry Donegal Dublin Mayo plus a good showing in the Leinster Championship each year - Semi final /final. 2 or 3 games in croker each year. Its a much better prospect than getting beaten by Antrim in Corrigan park or Westmeath in Mullingar.
Am not Anti Hurling at all - just saying - you heard it here first."
Alot of our hurlers wouldn't make our football team. They aren't physical enough.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 29/04/2024 14:29:09    2541509

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Replying To Tiger1:  "No need for the sarcasm of course we are disapointed over saturday but no one is crying we just have to plough on now and hope out fortunes change.The work going into this panel might still pay off and if we can beat galway and carlow we will have a chance to be going for leinster final going into last game v kk."
Corrigan Park is never an easy place to go. We have been poor in the last 2 games but we fingers crossed have Jippo and Jacko to come back this weekend and with a bit of luck we can cause a shock this weekend. If we win at the weekend we are back in the championship with all to play for.

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 164 - 29/04/2024 14:30:45    2541510

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Replying To Tiger1:  "No need for the sarcasm of course we are disapointed over saturday but no one is crying we just have to plough on now and hope out fortunes change.The work going into this panel might still pay off and if we can beat galway and carlow we will have a chance to be going for leinster final going into last game v kk."
Of course you're disappointed but there's no need for the continuous insulting of Antrim. You are surrounded by elite hurling counties, we're not.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9719 - 29/04/2024 14:31:21    2541512

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Replying To bystanderbill:  "I honestly think we are going through a 'changing of the guard' phase with respect to hurling and football similar to what we had in the period 2006 to 2012.
Looking at it I think the footballers are on a rise. I wouldn't be surprised to see the as serious contenders for the Tailteann cup. (with a bit of composure the could have beaten Louth and made a Leinster final which would have put them competing for Sam Maguire this year). Anyway the footballers will be in the Championship longer this year than the hurlers.
I do think they are on the rise and that would then sway it that some of the Dual players might jump the other way If Wexford are making the Sam Maguire playing the likes of Kerry Derry Donegal Dublin Mayo plus a good showing in the Leinster Championship each year - Semi final /final. 2 or 3 games in croker each year. Its a much better prospect than getting beaten by Antrim in Corrigan park or Westmeath in Mullingar.
Am not Anti Hurling at all - just saying - you heard it here first."
As someone interested in both codes honestly couldn't agree at all, Wexford are making really good progress under Hegarty but will still be in Div 4 in 2025 lets be realistic here (unluckily so I'll add) , even at underage you'll see at u20 if there's a good dual players 90% of the time they pick hurling look at the likes of Eoin Whelan, Darby Purcell, Dylan Purcell, Luke Murphy this year for example all lads realistically good enough for the u20 football panel.

I take no pleasure in saying this but football is number 3 in Wexford behind the hurling and soccer, I see this myself with nephews who their formative years its the sport of the 3 they have least interest in, I think the way football has become such a difficult spectacle to watch in a large number of games in the last decade is part of the reason for this.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 29/04/2024 14:44:35    2541520

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Not here to kick you when down again but you need to face facts lads. Your level is now Antrim and Dublin, not Galway and Kilkenny. 10 of the same 15 from 2019 says stasis in a panel. It should never be that comfortable. But then, who is pushing them off the team? No one.

People who have proposals on here for how to change and in clubs tend to be hushed in favour of committee yes men who "know how things are done", or "that won't work" attitude without even trying.

I hate the administrative side of the game and know it has to be done but I have asked our club rep to raise again and again the issue of combined colleges for those players who are not with GCC/Peters/Enniscorthy CBS. Never saw it even on the agenda bulletin on the site. It was tried once, didn't work and never tried again without so much as a question as to "why" or "how could it be made work".

I was laughed at here when I said we should have 7's winter leagues on 4G pitches yet every tom dick and harry in the county plays astro soccer all winter in all sorts of weather.

A Bekan style facility would also reduce the pressure on the club championship and allow games all winter, it could be busy from 10am on a Saturday until 8pm on Sunday evening and provide an appealing year round product. These things cost money I know but commercially Wexford GAA seem to be savvy and always have initiatives to make money yet when it comes to providing facilities for the entire playing population it doesn't seem to be there.

Wexford simply can't continue to shoehorn equal playing of hurling and football in to the calendar as it is, my attitude is screw the Leinster club championships the needs of players locally is far more important. Most clubs don't take it seriously anyway or are way off the pace of other counties, take your pick which based on the results.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

The Buffers Alley or Rathnure or Oulart argument for 1 code doesn't wash with me because I would say they have much less playing numbers of Shelamaliers, Barntown or St. Martins for example. I don't think football is the problem it is made out to be, but I think both codes would benefit from much more specialisation in one from certain clubs. When I moved to Wexford, the whole New Ross district was a hotbed of football. Don't know what has happened to that.

But everything in Wexford is still about 96. Even that South East Radio presenter wanting Martin Storey over the team. Look at the Wexford hurling podcast, intro all about a long ball in to Billy Byrne and Martin Storeys speech. Has there been nothing since they could get a sound bite off?

Back to Saturday, I did not see the game but I believe Antrim just wanted it more. How you fix that mindset I don't know, its either in a man or it isn't. Some are passengers and idly let games slip them by. The Sunday Game highlights looked like the pace of a club match."
You raise these proposals to improve our under-age game and also suggest that we don't have the players coming through which is why Antrim and Dublin are our level but if our under-age structures need so much work, then how are Antrim able to be our level at Senior given how bad their under-age has been?

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 284 - 29/04/2024 14:51:12    2541524

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Replying To Viking66:  "Conor Foley has been a midfielder since he started playing on a team pretty much"
Only since the second half of the Cork game, no?

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 284 - 29/04/2024 14:54:56    2541525

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Replying To bystanderbill:  "I honestly think we are going through a 'changing of the guard' phase with respect to hurling and football similar to what we had in the period 2006 to 2012.
Looking at it I think the footballers are on a rise. I wouldn't be surprised to see the as serious contenders for the Tailteann cup. (with a bit of composure the could have beaten Louth and made a Leinster final which would have put them competing for Sam Maguire this year). Anyway the footballers will be in the Championship longer this year than the hurlers.
I do think they are on the rise and that would then sway it that some of the Dual players might jump the other way If Wexford are making the Sam Maguire playing the likes of Kerry Derry Donegal Dublin Mayo plus a good showing in the Leinster Championship each year - Semi final /final. 2 or 3 games in croker each year. Its a much better prospect than getting beaten by Antrim in Corrigan park or Westmeath in Mullingar.
Am not Anti Hurling at all - just saying - you heard it here first."
So we won at best a handful of underage football matches in the last number of years in the championship, failed to get out of division 4, beat Carlow in the championship and lost to Louth and suddenly we are going to playing the likes of kerry, Dublin, Derry etc... in Croke Park. I will say one thing, the football management gets the very best out of the limited resources that they have, while the hurlers are the opposite and at the moment our hurlers don't have the guts or drive that our footballers have and that a fact.

hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 961 - 29/04/2024 15:14:34    2541532

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Replying To Viking66:  "Fanning was replaced last year. He's been a good dedicated man to the Wexford cause but takes too long over puckouts, and doesn't seem to be able to deliver them with any great accuracy. Haven't seen Mac play consistently well for Wexford in I'd say at least 5 years.
Scallan and Clancy I'm not sure have what it takes at intercounty level tbh. Flood has hurling to burn but, a bit like Joe O Connor who likewise is very skilful, isn't particularly strong when the ball is 50/50, and also like Joe just hasn't got any better at doing the dirty work over the last few years. Seamie O Hagan was in the panel at the start of the year. Did OK in the Byrne Cup for TUD without standing out though. At u20 he was superb in the LSF in Nowlan Park, but pretty average in the rest of the games."
The reason I've picked out those players is because I think they have the tools to make the grade.

They're big, strong, athletic and have plenty of hurling. I think with the right attention they have the potential to fill some of the gaps we've identified.

I'm not going to comment on fanning because I'm sick of it. To date I think it's the one really poor decision Rossi has made.

On typical Wexford fashion I'm sure they're is a bounce in us.

I don't think we were too confident after the league. Clare, Limerick, Kilkenny etc. Take it seriously Which doesn't hurt them.

We've achieved that objective. Staying up was very important.

As regards finishing third in Leinster it's almost impossible to imagine at this stage...but stranger things have happened.

One thing is for sure, we need to treat Saturday like our lives depend on it, because for me they actually do.

Of by some miracle we get a result, we'll probably go and lose in Carlow.

I love Wexford so much, but it's getting very hard to follow them......

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2749 - 29/04/2024 16:03:18    2541549

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Is it certain Jippo will back and fit enough to start Saturday lads? Very surprised Jacko didnt come on Saturday. Why name him on the bench if hes not even fit enough to come on. This is make or break Saturday we need lads who are under performing to lose their place and we need our best players on the field if we are to have any chance of staying in the championship

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 164 - 29/04/2024 16:09:58    2541551

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "You raise these proposals to improve our under-age game and also suggest that we don't have the players coming through which is why Antrim and Dublin are our level but if our under-age structures need so much work, then how are Antrim able to be our level at Senior given how bad their under-age has been?"
Because on any given day, any team can beat any team. Some days, nothing goes right. Other days, everything goes right. Its like that in every sport.
And some times, it is the size of the fight in the dog not the dog in the fight and from what I hear that was the difference between the 2 teams on Saturday. It was always going to be that way away to Antrim and Wexford were found wanting.
Wexford have long been a team to get at and make life hard for them. I feel once teams do that, they have no answer often.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1144 - 29/04/2024 16:15:24    2541554

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "The reason I've picked out those players is because I think they have the tools to make the grade.

They're big, strong, athletic and have plenty of hurling. I think with the right attention they have the potential to fill some of the gaps we've identified.

I'm not going to comment on fanning because I'm sick of it. To date I think it's the one really poor decision Rossi has made.

On typical Wexford fashion I'm sure they're is a bounce in us.

I don't think we were too confident after the league. Clare, Limerick, Kilkenny etc. Take it seriously Which doesn't hurt them.

We've achieved that objective. Staying up was very important.

As regards finishing third in Leinster it's almost impossible to imagine at this stage...but stranger things have happened.

One thing is for sure, we need to treat Saturday like our lives depend on it, because for me they actually do.

Of by some miracle we get a result, we'll probably go and lose in Carlow.

I love Wexford so much, but it's getting very hard to follow them......"
Would they not have been expected to be angry after the end of the Dublin match?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1144 - 29/04/2024 16:19:59    2541557

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "The reason I've picked out those players is because I think they have the tools to make the grade.

They're big, strong, athletic and have plenty of hurling. I think with the right attention they have the potential to fill some of the gaps we've identified.

I'm not going to comment on fanning because I'm sick of it. To date I think it's the one really poor decision Rossi has made.

On typical Wexford fashion I'm sure they're is a bounce in us.

I don't think we were too confident after the league. Clare, Limerick, Kilkenny etc. Take it seriously Which doesn't hurt them.

We've achieved that objective. Staying up was very important.

As regards finishing third in Leinster it's almost impossible to imagine at this stage...but stranger things have happened.

One thing is for sure, we need to treat Saturday like our lives depend on it, because for me they actually do.

Of by some miracle we get a result, we'll probably go and lose in Carlow.

I love Wexford so much, but it's getting very hard to follow them......"
Its extremely hard to watch Fanning play a one two with Niall Murphy and launch a sky scraper every single puck out. We are so predictable from puck outs and general play launching balls in the full forward line. We have completely went away from the running game which suits us way better. That's why I would much rather Chin in hf line we need to add physciality there and lads dont look wont look to hit a crowded full forward line when he isnt there. Think Tucker Kinsella needs a chance over Mac too but he hasnt seen game time in a while.

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 164 - 29/04/2024 16:24:37    2541561

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Is it certain Jippo will back and fit enough to start Saturday lads? Very surprised Jacko didnt come on Saturday. Why name him on the bench if hes not even fit enough to come on. This is make or break Saturday we need lads who are under performing to lose their place and we need our best players on the field if we are to have any chance of staying in the championship"
Jippo said he would be back for the Galway game.
A friend of mine was talking to him about two weeks ago and he told him that. So unless he has a setback we will once again see him in the purple and gold. Let's hope there are no setbacks.
We absolutely need him so much.
He may be a bit rusty but a small bit rusty Jippo would be better than some of our backs who are rust free.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 29/04/2024 16:41:21    2541562

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Of course you're disappointed but there's no need for the continuous insulting of Antrim. You are surrounded by elite hurling counties, we're not."
No there is absolutely no need to insult Antrim, you deserved the win. Last year in Wexford Park the clock beat you, had it gone on longer Antrim would have won.

wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 63 - 29/04/2024 16:53:44    2541564

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "Only since the second half of the Cork game, no?"
All the way up from u6

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 29/04/2024 16:54:26    2541566

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "The reason I've picked out those players is because I think they have the tools to make the grade.

They're big, strong, athletic and have plenty of hurling. I think with the right attention they have the potential to fill some of the gaps we've identified.

I'm not going to comment on fanning because I'm sick of it. To date I think it's the one really poor decision Rossi has made.

On typical Wexford fashion I'm sure they're is a bounce in us.

I don't think we were too confident after the league. Clare, Limerick, Kilkenny etc. Take it seriously Which doesn't hurt them.

We've achieved that objective. Staying up was very important.

As regards finishing third in Leinster it's almost impossible to imagine at this stage...but stranger things have happened.

One thing is for sure, we need to treat Saturday like our lives depend on it, because for me they actually do.

Of by some miracle we get a result, we'll probably go and lose in Carlow.

I love Wexford so much, but it's getting very hard to follow them......"
Conall and Seamie are fairly big but not by Senior intercounty standards. Kyle and Conall aren't "big and strong" by club standards.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12224 - 29/04/2024 16:58:15    2541568

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Jippo said he would be back for the Galway game.
A friend of mine was talking to him about two weeks ago and he told him that. So unless he has a setback we will once again see him in the purple and gold. Let's hope there are no setbacks.
We absolutely need him so much.
He may be a bit rusty but a small bit rusty Jippo would be better than some of our backs who are rust free."
Cannot believe how negative ye all are. No player sets out to play poorly but it happens. Still 6 points to play for so get behind the lads they need you. Why be so quick to make them star players and even quicker to desert them when needed most. You must remember the manager is learning of the huff as well. It's his first year.

Williekavanagh (Dublin) - Posts: 1 - 29/04/2024 16:59:32    2541571

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Jippo said he would be back for the Galway game.
A friend of mine was talking to him about two weeks ago and he told him that. So unless he has a setback we will once again see him in the purple and gold. Let's hope there are no setbacks.
We absolutely need him so much.
He may be a bit rusty but a small bit rusty Jippo would be better than some of our backs who are rust free."
Good to hear. We need him back at 3 badly to give us any chance

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 164 - 29/04/2024 17:06:57    2541572

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